When do you think bars / restaurants will ban unvaccinated people?

[Getafuckinggripman]

Because I do think it will happen...

It won't happen. The vaccinated are spreading covid. My entire workplace is closed this week due to a colleague contracting it from a double vaccinated relative. I expect we'll see a lot more of this as the vaccinated I know and see are behaving like they're immortal .

Yes it's Ireland that have introduced this.
I know people who at the weekend went across the border to enjoy themselves and hit the pubs in NI as a result. Apparently they weren't the only ones and the border was busy.

THese rumours have been spreading for the past 12 months about vaccine requirement and many of the places that have been named have publicly stated this will not be the case.

There was a thread the other day that made it out that the passport was already in place yet the government have until the 12at August to reply to the review committee report. A part of the report states that there is no scientific evidence to show that this has any benefit. It goes on to further mention how it will discriminate a lot of different groups. It also contains stuff about the impact of being vaccinated to get employment and the further issues this will have

committees.parliament.uk/committee/327/public-administration-and-constitutional-affairs-committee/news/155788/no-justification-for-covid-passports-say-committee/

@RoseAddict

I think people fully understand that. As long as it offers a high protection against hospitalisation, which it does, then I’m not sure anyone is that bothered about essentially contracting a cold.

It won't happen because people who are vaccinated are still getting Covid.

Ireland's talking about it, but it won't work there either.

Hugely discriminatory too.

@canigooutyet

Yes it's Ireland that have introduced this. I know people who at the weekend went across the border to enjoy themselves and hit the pubs in NI as a result. Apparently they weren't the only ones and the border was busy.

People are crossing the border because Ireland still doesn't allow indoor dining and is the only country in Europe that does not.

I think businesses will be guven a choice... Either only accept double vaccinated or officially exempt people wirh no restrictions in place... Or.... Continue with restrictions on capacity , complicated and restrictive safety measures, and track and trace.

Given that the vast majority of the population will have been doubly vaccinated, restricting it in this way shouldn't hurt businesses too much.

There's been a lot of confusion over the word "passport" as the EU Digital Covid Passport (which of course includes Ireland) comes into force on Thursday and will be used EU wide for travel, access to certain events etc.

Whilst isolations are in place I can see the attraction actually.

Vaccinated people can still spread covid but are much less likely to therefore your chances of contracting covid or getting caught up in contact isolation are less than with a mixed crowd.

i think it will happen

No I don’t. I’ve had my vaccine. I’m more likely to catch COVID in work than a meal out. So while I’d prefer as many people to get vaccines as possible, I don’t care if other people are unvaccinated are around me that’s their choice at this stage.

I also think hospitality cant afford to refuse paying customers at this point to be honest.

Strikes me as a weird choice from the Irish.
Most places that introduce “Covid passports” are planning three options to demonstrate immunity: vaccination, recent recovery or negative test. That way you can take your pick (albeit at a price). The Irish seem to be ruling out the testing option.

@Chillychangchoo I was just reacting to someone saying they’d rather eat with vaccinated people only. I agree most people do understand it’s no guarantee

Although must admit does sound nice to go out to a restaurant and not having any children in there. And those family friendly pubs that have amazing. service if you can stand some kids just running around..
Oh can we extend it to coffee shops and cinemas? I used to go cinema during school time even to watch a kids film knowing it would be a lot quieter lol.

Or would they be automatically exempt?

It'll depend on how much time they spent being shut down because of covid outbreaks linked to them I suppose.

Makes no economic sense to have to keep closing if there's an easier option that reduces the risk of an outbreak being linked to your establishment. Depending on what sort of business, if there's enough of your normal clientele vaccinated, then introducing a passport won't make a huge difference to footfall and you might pick up extras if you manage to pass it of as a safety measure for your customers.

Other than on MN I don't think the number of people who would boycott because somewhere decided to only take vaccinated customers is huge. Guess it's a case of seeing what market forces dictate.

i think it's a good idea.
would attract lots more customers.
those with genuine medical exemption could have a pass.

No it won't, the people who who don't want this sort of thing are the people spending money at the moment, the ones who have hid away aren't the ones keeping places open at the moment.

The ones hid away and not willing to come out will be the same as people who only come out at Christmas, and then wonder why the pub or restaurant has shut.

No, why waste headspace worrying about things that might happen. I genuinely don't understand that mindset, unless you're the PM or govt minister there's nothing you can do about it so why worry

Enjoy life, don't be stressing about hypothetical future issues.

They won’t.

Can’t see them banning children and pregnant women, for example. That wouldn’t go down well.

As for those that can’t have the vaccine for medical reasons, also not a good move.

I cannot see it happening.

There is ‘prove vaccine status or a negative test’ for events and holidays but this wouldn’t be workable for restaurants and the like.

@Wherediditgo

They won’t.

Can’t see them banning children and pregnant women, for example. That wouldn’t go down well.

As for those that can’t have the vaccine for medical reasons, also not a good move.

I cannot see it happening.

There is ‘prove vaccine status or a negative test’ for events and holidays but this wouldn’t be workable for restaurants and the like.

Pregnant women are recommended to have the vaccine

I used to think this was inevitable under the Health & Safety at Work Act. Employers are legally obliged to provide a safe working environment and it could be argued that allowing non-vaccinated customers is a breach of regulation.
But then thinking about this further, under the same laws public sector workers would be able to sue if they caught COVID at work so there’s no way the government will let that happen so the HASAWA won’t be the driving force.

I can see there being some niche “members only” type businesses though who can legally restrict membership on their own criteria (like golf clubs can) which might satisfy a niche market for vaxx only patrons. There will definitely be some demand but i doubt it will be widespread.

How can anybody say for sure where they caught it from though?

@Getafuckinggripman

Because I do think it will happen...

19th July lol

There would also be fake passports going around. Not everyone has a smartphone so a physical copy would also need to be made available.

Then of course those who have a smart phone but don't trust whatever company to keep their digital details safe, will also request a physical version.

@CrumbleLady, I don’t know, I used to work in a hospital and a big part of my decision to leave was their appalling covid safety practices for back office departments. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some ‘where there’s blame there’s a claim’ covid focussed adverts in the future personally.

@alexdgr8

i think it's a good idea. would attract lots more customers. those with genuine medical exemption could have a pass. those who just don't want it could go elsewhere, ie keep away from me.

Or, mad idea, people that are still as terrified as you stay at home?