When do you think bars / restaurants will ban unvaccinated people?

[Getafuckinggripman]

Because I do think it will happen...

If we aren't having to produce a passport for events here then why do we need to create a vaccine passport for free to allow travel?

It won’t be about travelling from the country it will be whether airlines will want to carry people and whether the country overseas will want to accept people without evidence of the vaccination. There are already programmes in place for other vaccinations in some countries so it’s not new. They can make it a condition of entry if they choose. Maybe they will stick to PCR tests prior to travel but if the majority of people have the vaccination they won’t want to impose additional costs on everyone to accommodate a few people.

Yes I mentioned the existing vaccine program. It's the first sentence on the paragraph you have partially shared. It's been in place for a long time and globally recognised. So why the need to additional passport? You would be given whatever you get when you have the yellow fever jab for example.

You could also ask why should the general public pay for the travel passport through their taxes.?

There are also more ways to travel other than plane. Cruises are starting and include the unvaccinated.

And why would airline increase costs to cover testing for the unvaxed? Passengers would continue to pay costs. It's also possible that even fully vaccinated travelling to other countries to test before they can enter their country after all the vaccine is not 100 percent and those countries will have to consider their own unvaccinated vulnerable.

If unvaccinated people are putting vaccinated people at risk tge what was the point of the vaccine.
It either works or it doesn’t and if you believe you are still at risk despite being doubly vaccinated then why did you have the vaccine in the first place.

I don't think they will.

@FflosFfantastig

This is happening in Northern Ireland I think. It wouldn't surprise me if it does in other UK countries as well. Although why these businesses would want to cut their trade after the year they've just had I can't imagine

no it is NOT happening in Northern Ireland. Establishments are grateful for any trade they can get.

It isn't happening in Southern Ireland either. They haven't even opened indoor hospitality yet as they are worried about the Delta variant.
I am vaccinated but I am totally against having to declare anything about my medical history in order to buy goods, or use services.

@Canigooutyet
You’re right, sorry I was skim reading. I don’t know if the current system would cope with a whole host of new countries adding their conditions of entry. ( if many countries decide to go this route) I also don’t know how digitalised the current system is… I know colleagues who travel to far flung places seem to carry various bits of paper with them ( yellow fever certificates etc). Does that seem sustainable? I don’t know. Maybe it is.

@RedToothBrush I just want to say that ive found your posts insightful and helpful during all this.

Personally I do not want the vaccine. I am not anti vaccine as a rule, in fact I am usually pro vaccine, however I am not ready to have this vaccine. My DH is having his this week, I’m happy for him, his body his choice I’d never tell him not to. I have had covid, I believe twice, as I’m convinced I had it in Dec/jan 2019/2020 and definitely in jan 2021 along with everyone else in my house. I was called for my vaccine fairly early as I’m high risk due to medical conditions and a compromised immune system, however I’ve chosen not to have it because I have a long history of allergic reactions to various medications. I’ve not checked if I’m actually medically exempt, but I will if I need to. I’ve spent the last 5 years having Drs experiment with medication after medication on me and every time I am so sick, sometimes spending months unable to physically get out of bed. I’ve had enough. I do not want to have a new vaccine that we do not know the full long term side effects of yet. I feel I’ve been a lab rat long enough. I also have a genuine fear that I will be one of the people who ends up having a “rare” reaction to it and end up on a slab. Whether my fear is rational or not, I should not be discriminated against for it.

I may feel different in a year down the line, but right now I do not want to be bullied into injecting something into my body I am not comfortable with.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/29/ireland-to-delay-indoor-dining-and-only-allow-access-to-fully-vaccinated

I dont get it. As Iunderstood it, getting the vaccine merely protects yourself; reducing the symptoms significantly and making it far less likely to hospitalise or incapacitate or kill you. But you can still carry it and pass it on to others. So I'm struggling to see the point in differentiating between the vaccinated and unvaccinated in situations like this.

@Twistered I did apologise and correct that up thread. I just got the story wrong I'm sorry.

The Irish government is in the process of back-pedalling on their ridiculous announcement the other day.

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/mid-july-return-for-indoor-dining-if-uk-data-shows-delta-less-severe-government-1.4608050

Personally if you are making it so some people can have exemptions for medical reasons, then you can't have this as being allowed.

Eithier you make every single person have it or if you are allowing some for medical reasons, then non medical personal reasons should be accepted too.

Coercion for medical procedures has been illegal for a long time, it doesn't need reintroduced

The thing with vaccine passports is, at what age would they draw the line? So say all over 12s get vaccinated - if you go in a restaurant with an 11 year old do you have to somehow prove their age before they're allowed in, because they won't have been vaccinated? Or will it only ever apply to adults?

@Mytwopenniesworth same xx

I think it would come down to insurance. Whether somebody who contracted covid could reasonably identify a specific venue or event as the source. Whether as an employee or visitor. Tricky legal test.

So unlikely to affect places where people come and go a lot. Like pubs. But might affect things where large groups gather closely, especially for long periods. Like sports venues, flights, festivals, cruise ships etc.

Am guessing proof of vaccine or a negative test would be required.

@oohmethumb

Never. I can't have the vaccine for medical reasons. I will sue the arse off anyone who discriminates against me because of my disability.

If they bring this out, those medically unable to be vaccinated would get an excemption certificate

You wouldn’t need an exemption certificate, would you? you’d just test like anyone else who wasn’t vaccinated.

@Getafuckinggripman

There is already talk / rumours about certain festivals later this year having to ask for covid passports, it will be / is already the same for air travel. There is already talk of "no jab, no job" specifically for care home or NHS workers. Eventually I think this will spill over into other work sectors, not because I think employers or hospitality businesses will WANT to do this. But the pressure to follow suit will be sky high in my opinion. Again... I don't want this to happen!! I'm just wondering if anyone has the same fears.

If you have the NHS app,this feature is already on their. There is two sections, one for attending events in which you have to show at entrance a QR code to get in. The other option is for travel which states this must e sown when asked by officials (I assume officials will be border control etc)

I can see that if the alternative for non-vaccinated/post infection people were really onerous, like hotel quarantine, or five hundred quid’s worth of private tests then you’d need to make exceptions for people who were medically unable to be vaxxed, but it shouldn’t be necessary if the alternative is a free test.

If they bring this out, those medically unable to be vaccinated would get an excemption certificate

Why should anyone get a exemption.

If you bring it in its all or nothing as you are taking away choice.

Not sure about pub covid passports but I absolutely think it will happen in the foreign travel industry.
It will be down to those individuals countries, but I think it will happen in the short to medium term.

I also fear that employers will only hire vaccinated people, to reduce staff sickness levels.
I absolutely don’t support this in any form, but look how easy it was getting the country to abide by measure so quickly. I genuinely fear that covid passports will creep into our lives.

[quote TheKeatingFive]The Irish government is in the process of back-pedalling on their ridiculous announcement the other day.

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/mid-july-return-for-indoor-dining-if-uk-data-shows-delta-less-severe-government-1.4608050[/quote]
Genuinely lolled at the 'we're waiting for the UK to finish experimenting on their public again before we make a decision' nature of that.