Just wondering if those that have refused to have the vaccine are now wishing they had?

[Lovemusic33]

There’s a lot of talk about vaccinated people not having to quarantine in the future making travel easier, the possibility of a vaccine passport to be able to go to events and travel.

I have several friends that have refused to have the vaccine due to conspiracy theories and ‘not knowing the risks’, if they had taken the first vaccine they would have had their 2nd by now and potentially be ok to travel in the coming weeks or attend events, there even talk of some jobs needing vaccination (care workers).

I’m just wondering if anyone regrets their choice not to vaccinate?

BTW, I am vaccinated but I’m not judging those who decided against it, just wondering if they have changed their minds?

You could start you own? 😉

@Tiari

I really think this thread should have been titled Just wondering if those who have decided to have the vaccine are now wishing they hadn't?

because some of those vaccinated are so defensive and clearly very concerned.
But whatever everyone's decision, I wish all of us and our families good luck and sincerely hope we all get through this

I'm not getting this from this thread at all I don't know anybody who regrets their vaccine.... in fact most are counting the days till their 2nd jab and desperately trying to bring it forward, if they haven't had it yet.

There are of course the people who were reluctant to have their 2nd AZ jab, but I find they are more wanting to receive pfizer/moderna rather than wishing they'd not been jabbed at all. I think people are just fed up of all the untruths being spread... perhaps that's what you're mistaking for defensiveness?

I know one person who refused the vaccine. They now have it. They gave it to their mum and god knows who else. Infact they burst the bubble at our school
They cannot walk 5 steps without being badly out of breath. Early 30s

@Tiari

I really think this thread should have been titled Just wondering if those who have decided to have the vaccine are now wishing they hadn't?

because some of those vaccinated are so defensive and clearly very concerned.
But whatever everyone's decision, I wish all of us and our families good luck and sincerely hope we all get through this

you keep saying that @Tiari but it's not the case

as PPs have said, any frustration comes from the anti-vax misinformation that inevitably crops up on these threads. I'm not seeing people getting defensive because they regret their decision.

I just managed to move my 2nd dose up from 12 weeks to 8 and am really pleased about it

@Poorlykitten

I think if you have suffered losses from Covid of those close to you or had experience of knowing young people that have died from it then you have a different take. I know two people in their 30s and 40s that have died so it seems much more of a lottery to me. Plus I have elderly relatives and shielding family members I would like to protect.

We lost dear family members last year due to covid sadly, also have family members who are high risk including myself, I still will not be having the vaccine.

Death is a lottery. You never know when your time is up. I have known young and old who have died of CV. Same with I have known young and old that have died from an assortment of viruses, amongst other things, over my life.

My view since the beginning of this has not changed. As someone who is vulnerable I don't want people using me as their excuse to do x,y and z. Being vulnerable didn't just happen overnight. For me it's been decades and I know how to protect me the best I can because I cannot change other people. I have educated my children and those around me about spreading germs/viruses and when to stay the fuck away from me.

When I go out into the world I assume that everything is out to get me because of people's bad hygiene habits and this weird impulse to want to fucking hug people, cheek kiss and the even more grim hand shake.

The last year have been bliss because people aren't doing this. People have at least I hope, learnt how to fucking sneeze properly without showering the rest of us with their snot and possible shit.

Until around March last year few people gave a shit about the vulnerable. This was very apparent from the widely used dope them with calpol so they can still go to school. Going back to work/school within 24 hours of having something like norovirus or worse actually still with one of these nasty things.

No regrets.

@TheDailyCarbunkle - great post.

I would think many also haven’t outright refused but hesitant?

Today there are headlines about how Pfizer Moderna linked to ‘extremely rare’ hear damage…

This doesn’t give much assurance to someone on the fence….what else would they find 6 months down the line?

I think ‘extremely rare’ is the bit you should be paying attention to?

People are right to be cautious about what they are putting in their bodies. People do it on a daily basis when they say no to drugs, when they don't consume alcohol, eat crap that's bad etc.

Several months later.. Here we are and there's some serious stuff going around possibly associated directly to the vaccine. Of course people are going to be paying attention.

And as the pp rightfully asked what about the next 6 months?

With the Virus were we still discovering Rare side effects 6/7 months later? I really don't remember hearing about anything roughly a year ago, but my brain forgets alsorts sp prepared to have egg on my face!

@Poorlykitten I am..that’s why I made sure that I included it in as supposed to choosing to type something to fit a narrative however, I still feel this doesn’t help individuals like me…
First blood clots were pretty much pushed to the sidelines - then it was confirmed yes there is a problem
The ‘extremely rare’ event doesn’t seem ‘extremely rare’ in Israel, I believe that was reported as ‘rare’ - playing around with choice of words
The latest being the menstrual issues- swinging between yes there is a short term problem but not a long term one, don’t be alarmed- with respect how is someone who is in menopause having bleeds after years not alarming?
Also the explanation around AZ clots- some spike protein are breaking off and entering the cells, hence the clots- that was not expected to happen- great! So what else are we not expected to happen but might be happening?

Also very lay man question - how would I know after priming my system with vaccines boosters what not that at the slightest threat of a common cold come winter that my body won’t go into an over drive and create something similar to a cytokine storm?

I’m not an anti vaxxer and actually want to have this vaccine but every time these questions keep cropping up…

No, I've not had it and l'm 100% happy with my decision.

Two of my friends and I didn’t bleed for over a year and then suddenly started bleeding again, it’s not uncommon. That’s way before vaccinations.

Also very lay man question - how would I know after priming my system with vaccines boosters what not that at the slightest threat of a common cold come winter that my body won’t go into an over drive and create something similar to a cytokine storm?

@Namechanged4thi5 this isn't how vaccines work, all it's doing is priming your immune system to deal with SARS-COV-2, it won't make a difference to how you respond to a cold.

some anti-vaxxers have tried pushing the idea of ADE (i.e, the idea that the immune system can overreact when encountering what they mistakenly call "wild coronavirus"), but again this is a misinterpretation of existing evidence and the literature. This is a good blog post on it: blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/02/12/antibody-dependent-enhancement-and-the-coronavirus-vaccines

MHRA also now coming out with the myocarditis numbers. They always seem behind other regulators. Given covid is unlikely to affect these people, the numbers sadden me and I’m surprised it is described as “mild”.

@Poorlykitten thank you for that info- I was not aware of this.
@ollyollyoxenfree thank you- I will have a look

@Roonerspismed yes the choice of words to preset your thinking even before you read an article irates me…

olly you and I have opposing views but you post helpful info. However I think you would actually reach more of your target audience without the belligerent use of “anti vaxxer”. It just winds people up and creates a divisive discussion. Most people who haven’t taken a covid vaccine yet are actually up to speed with their own and their kids vaccines and are covid vaccine hesitant. If we had a less divisive set of vocabulary then we would have more constructive debate

@Roonerspismed

olly you and I have opposing views but you post helpful info. However I think you would actually reach more of your target audience without the belligerent use of “anti vaxxer”. It just winds people up and creates a divisive discussion. Most people who haven’t taken a covid vaccine yet are actually up to speed with their own and their kids vaccines and are covid vaccine hesitant. If we had a less divisive set of vocabulary then we would have more constructive debate

thanks @Roonerspismed

just to clear, in my post the "anti-vaxxers" I'm talking about are the people who started the ADE/vaccine fake claims, which can be traced back to 4chan and are basically a deliberate misinterpretation of a couple of old research papers to cause fear. Definitely not calling anyone asking questions about it one!

I'm certainly not saying anything negative about people worried about these rumours and I think it's totally reasonable to have concerns. These groups are very clever at taking scientific research and making it sound like there's a plausible basis for vaccines being dangerous.

@Tiari

I really think this thread should have been titled Just wondering if those who have decided to have the vaccine are now wishing they hadn't?

because some of those vaccinated are so defensive and clearly very concerned.
But whatever everyone's decision, I wish all of us and our families good luck and sincerely hope we all get through this

Definitely not what I’m taking away from this thread.

Maybe I’m viewing things in a different way - can you highlight some posts that show your conclusion?

This is the first time I've posted on the Coronavirus board for about two months. I got badly bitten last time, and said I'd never return, but this thread has prompted me to post here once more.
I haven't been vaccinated yet. I don't regret it as such, but in honesty, I do feel extremely guilty. Sleepless nights kind of guilty.
I'm a vegan, and abhor animal testing. The animal misuse re the vaccine is a source of immense distress to me. I can't bear it. So I also feel guilty if I have the vaccine. In addition, I have medical anxiety; and I guess a gut instinct too about the vaccine (for me personally) But also, a desire to be a good responsible citizen. I've been left seized by indecision. Few things in recent years have caused me so much anxiety, and the judgement of others has been horrendous for my mental health. I've never felt so judged. To the point that I've started lying to people, and telling them I've had my first jab. Which I know is totally immoral. I usually try to be a very honest person. But it's just psychological survival at this point.
No doubt many will read this and judge me still. If it's any reassurance, I'm being otherwise ultra careful re Covid. I live by the sea, and we have a low infection rate here.

WanderingFruitWonderer

Im sorry to hear that you’re struggling so much with this. I’m a vegan too and I’m not having the vaccine due to it. I know loads of people in real life not having it for this reason, no guilt felt, we’re just doing what we think is right.
I hope things improve for you, it sounds tough living with the level of anxiety and guilt that you are feeling.

@SupermanInk thank you for your kind words

@Furries

I have already answered that question on this thread 23/6/2021 @ 12.59

For vegans who are refusing to have the vaccine, will you refuse any treatment for COVID if that has been tested on animals (or indeed treatment for any serious illness if that has been tested on animals)?

I remember you @WanderingFruitWonderer, and the thread that probably caused you to stop posting. People can be very harsh. Hugs to you.

I don't think it's immoral to lie to people saying you've had the jab when you haven't, not when there are extenuating circumstances such as yours. It's self-preservation. You need to look after yourself; if you don't, who will?