Just wondering if those that have refused to have the vaccine are now wishing they had?

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There’s a lot of talk about vaccinated people not having to quarantine in the future making travel easier, the possibility of a vaccine passport to be able to go to events and travel.

I have several friends that have refused to have the vaccine due to conspiracy theories and ‘not knowing the risks’, if they had taken the first vaccine they would have had their 2nd by now and potentially be ok to travel in the coming weeks or attend events, there even talk of some jobs needing vaccination (care workers).

I’m just wondering if anyone regrets their choice not to vaccinate?

BTW, I am vaccinated but I’m not judging those who decided against it, just wondering if they have changed their minds?

Face facts. No one is getting vaccinated for the greater good. We are not a nation of martyrs. People everywhere are getting vaccinated to benefit themselves. Either for fear of the disease or to travel. One of the stupid myths of our time is this notion of saving lives, saving the NHS etc. ALL THE OLD ARE VACCINATED. People employ the altruism argument to make themselves feel good as they get jabbed and self-righteous when they meet those who make a different choice.

@Dimsummummy

No regrets here, over 120 deaths already attributed to vaccines and I’ve already survived covid. Thanks for asking though 😃

120? You might want to update your stats cos the numbers are way higher than that!

@AllWashedOut I got my vaccine so I feel happier being with our elderly relatives and also going into their accommodation where there are other elderly people. DH wasn't worried at all about getting COVID but he has had the vaccination, and not for travel reasons.

So there are people having the jab for reasons other than benefiting themselves

I don’t think there are any confirm vaccine deaths are there? I could be wrong but from what I’ve read, yes there are people who have died after receiving the vaccine but nothing has been definitely linked just people making the ( possibly incorrect) connection. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Here’s what fact check says…. fullfact.org/online/1102-vaccine-adr-death/

@Poorlykitten

I don’t think there are any confirm vaccine deaths are there? I could be wrong but from what I’ve read, yes there are people who have died after receiving the vaccine but nothing has been definitely linked just people making the ( possibly incorrect) connection. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Double standards there.

Any death within 28 days of a positive covid test is confirmed as a covid death.

Any death within 28 days of the vaccine is a coincidence, yeah ok

I never said anything about covid deaths?!

Yeah but you're suggesting nobody is dying at all from the vaccines.

Who's fact checking the fact checkers, genuine question?

No, I said there is no confirmed data in that. Yet. You can’t go about saying thousands of people have died from vaccines because it’s not a fact, yes I guess you could say it’s a possibility but don’t post it as a fact.

I haven't posted any facts.

You are the one posting fact check links confirming nobody is dying from the vaccine.

An independent, non partisan, not for profit body of certified ‘fact checkers’ apparently.😊

@Whyevencare I posted initially in response to
‘120? You might want to update your stats cos the numbers are way higher than that!’ By 4fgorksake earlier on in the thread. You jumped on my post, I got you two mixed up so apologies but that’s who my posts were directed at.

It really concerns me that we are expected to believe the vaccines aren't causing ANY deaths just because some fact checking site says so

[quote Poorlykitten]@Whyevencare I posted initially in response to
‘120? You might want to update your stats cos the numbers are way higher than that!’ By 4fgorksake earlier on in the thread. You jumped on my post, I got you two mixed up so apologies but that’s who my posts were directed at.[/quote]
Apologies I never meant to jump on you personally, these fact check websites wind me up as it's not always clear where their data is coming from.

And I don't believe that no-one ever hasn't died as a direct result of the vaccine.

@Whyevencare I assume a large amount of work needs to be done (including legal work) to prove a death is from the vaccine

No regrets. My life is solitary so I have very little risk of catching the virus or passing it on. At 52 and balanced on the precipice of menopause, I don't want to risk putting anything into my body (including alcohol, drugs and fast food) which may upset the fine balance I'm at right now and make menopause symptoms worse. i don't go abroad for holidays and avoid crowded places like the plague. not sure what benefit me being vaccinated would achieve other than to bump up statistics.

@Whyevencare I’m not arguing that people have never died from a vaccine, there are reported cases, for example anaphylactic shock as a result of vaccination. All vaccine carry a risk and potential side effects, some of them pretty nasty if you read the small print but fortunately usually very rare. (Mass vaccinations on this scale have really never happened before so all the info being gathered at once.) Usually what happens is we way up those risks against the potential risks of the diseases and make a choice. That should entirely be your choice to make, however it annoys and upsets me that people generally only care to educate themselves on those risk by what they have read on hyped up social media sites, much of which is ‘false news’. If you want to make an informed decision, read some scientific reports and articles. We are blessed that they are fairly easily available. I also dislike people posting ‘facts’ that are not at all substantiated as above. I’m not directing this particularly at you but it often happens in these threads and it’s scaremongering at its worst. I don’t argue that having a vaccination can be a risk, every health decision has some risk involved. This is an interesting article on deaths following vaccinations…www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/

You can see the deaths and adverse reactions yourself by looking up the yellow card reports. So far:

Pfizer: 425 deaths

Source: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/996041/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer-_BioNTech_vaccine_analysis_print.pdf

AstraZeneca: 904 deaths

Source: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/996043/COVID-19_vaccine_AstraZeneca_analysis_print.pdf

Moderna: 5

Source: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/996044/COVID-19_vaccine_Moderna_analysis_print.pdf

It does state that the deaths may not be as a result of the vaccine

TBH I'm shocked that people are willing to be injected with a substance that has killed people.

Well Covid could have liked me. I was rushed to hospital with a real risk of stroke or heart attack as my blood pressure was so high and so unstable, nothing reducing it.

I'd rather take my chances with a vaccine with a low incident rate of concerning effects than go through that again.

Just like some of the deaths recorded as covid (death with covid within 28 days of a PCR test) won’t have been covid deaths.

It’s also worth noting MHRA say the yellow card system only represents some adverse reactions / deaths, a portion don’t get reported.

Totally pleased I haven’t had an experimental vaccine

Had positive antibody test recently from a v mild case of Covid in 2020

I live in a stunning part of the country so not bothered about travel anyway really

[quote Poorlykitten]@Whyevencare I’m not arguing that people have never died from a vaccine, there are reported cases, for example anaphylactic shock as a result of vaccination. All vaccine carry a risk and potential side effects, some of them pretty nasty if you read the small print but fortunately usually very rare. (Mass vaccinations on this scale have really never happened before so all the info being gathered at once.) Usually what happens is we way up those risks against the potential risks of the diseases and make a choice. That should entirely be your choice to make, however it annoys and upsets me that people generally only care to educate themselves on those risk by what they have read on hyped up social media sites, much of which is ‘false news’. If you want to make an informed decision, read some scientific reports and articles. We are blessed that they are fairly easily available. I also dislike people posting ‘facts’ that are not at all substantiated as above. I’m not directing this particularly at you but it often happens in these threads and it’s scaremongering at its worst. I don’t argue that having a vaccination can be a risk, every health decision has some risk involved. This is an interesting article on deaths following vaccinations…www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/[/quote]
I agree, educating yourself prior to receiving any vaccination and I hope most people are doing this.

I have been educating myself since December 2020 and have arrived at the conclusion that these vaccines are not for me

@PromisingMiddleagedWoman

For those who have said they are vaccine hesitant because they don’t want to be ‘guinea pigs’ I’m curious when and if you’ll change your mind. What timeline or scientific evidence will make you think ‘yep it’s ok now’. For example would it be a year after the first vaccine was trialled in 2020, would it be 5 years, or after vaccinated women have gone in to have problem free pregnancies etc? Are you waiting for a particular scientific journal to post certain conclusions?

To not want to be a ‘guinea pig’ implies you’re waiting for something, but I’ve yet to hear anyone who is vaccine hesitant say exactly what!

When the trail period is over and the vaccines are actually licensed for use in 2023 I believe

Don’t you realise you have received an unlicensed vaccine in the trial stage??

@Whyevencare unfortunately many people don’t. Sadly.