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4000 women report period problems following vaccine

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WineGetsMeThroughIt · 20/06/2021 13:08

I've just seen this on my Apple News but can't view it as I don't have a premium subscription. Has anyone read the full article? Is there someone similar that this information has been published? I'm really interested in what it says and what is going to be done - if anything?

4000 women report period problems following vaccine
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riveted1 · 21/06/2021 17:23

@Roonerspismed

‘There is no evidence it’s cytotoxic”

What research has been done to prove it’s not?

All the standard cell and animal testing that was done in the early stages of vaccine development
Roonerspismed · 21/06/2021 17:26

Yes and that was effective..

riveted1 · 21/06/2021 17:44

@Roonerspismed

Yes and that was effective..
what do you mean?

You asked for evidence that the vaccine was not cytotoxic, I explained that this was examined in cell and animal modelling as per standard vaccine development.

As for all vaccines/drugs, this does not prove the vaccine has no adverse effects (and indeed we've identified that some people do have adverse CVST reactions), but the fact we've given out something like 800 million doses, and these events remain rare, is reassuring.

MilduraS · 21/06/2021 18:01

I use the pill and it didn't have any effect on my cycle but I do worry about it being underreported. I only know about the yellow card website because of posts on here. When I got the jab I wasn't told where to report side effects.

Backyard72 · 21/06/2021 18:03

"You asked for evidence that the vaccine was not cytotoxic, I explained that this was examined in cell and animal modelling as per standard vaccine development.

As for all vaccines/drugs, this does not prove the vaccine has no adverse effects (and indeed we've identified that some people do have adverse CVST reactions), but the fact we've given out something like 800 million doses, and these events remain rare, is reassuring."

Unfortunately reproductive issues do not show up that quickly so potential issues are unknown at present.

Hornbill123456789 · 21/06/2021 18:41

@winched and one of his fellow research people there is big on ‘unherd’. It’s all conspiracy nonsense with a very right wing agenda again:

Have you heard of UnHerd? If you’re a consumer of UK political doggerel and slightly wrongheaded assertions cloaked in the pseudo-emotion free trappings of ‘rationalism’ you may have. The British news comment site, founded in 2017, is also know to its detractors as “the cow site” due to its unusual cattle-based branding.

Edited by the eminently pleasant Sally Chatterton, who I had some dealings with when I was a contracted writer on the Telegraph Comment desk, it was founded by the eminently contemptible Tim Montgomerie, a former Times columnist and recently an advisor to Boris Johnson. He left the site in March 2018.

When he announced UnHerd, Montgomerie made the now infamous comment which led to the “cow site” dig:

"Today I'm unveiling the icon that will top those emails – a cow, who like our target readers, tends to avoid herds and behaves in unmissable ways as a result."

Montgomerie’s career to that point was perfectly summed up by Simon Childs of Vice:

Editor Tim Montgomerie is a Thatcher fan-boy who became comment editor for Times in 2013 and lasted a year before resigning. He still had a column, which he used to make a big huffy deal publicly when he quit the Conservative Party last year, to protest David Cameron wanting to stay in the EU. Previously he had edited ConservativeHome, the "grassroots" Tory comment website that has been owned by billionaire Michael Ashcroft since 2009. Before that, he wrote speeches for William Hague and Iain Duncan Smith, two failed Tory leaders. The UnHeard looks set to be another huge and epic contribution to British public life.

UnHerd columnists include Giles Fraser — the turbulent Brexit priest and shit-stirrer — John Gray — the philosopher turned shit-stirrer — Matthew Goodwin — the man who had to eat his own book on television and shit-stirrer — and Douglas Murray — who is a shit that’s always stirring. There are also writers like Tom Chivers, another ex-Telegraph colleague of mine, who does the ‘eminently reasonable analysis of a current event from a tediously rationalist perspective’ pieces, providing ideological air cover for the real headbangers and bringing in the FBPE crowd.

UnHerd doesn’t have a paywall and exists purely due to the largesse of former LibDem donor and Brexit enthusiast Sir Paul Marshall, a hedge fund multi-millionaire who started his firm, in part, with money from George Soros. There’s obviously no issue at all with being in business with George Soros but some of UnHerd’s more UnHinged fans might not see it that way, give Soros’ centrality in some truly bogglesome conspiracy theories beloved of the far right.

Why do I dislike UnHerd? Because it purports to be ‘reasonable’, ‘fair’ and ‘balanced’ while pushing a relentless right-wing, cruel and populist agenda. It clothes itself in respectability but it is as dangerous as any YouTube cesspool.

Again, Simon Childs summer up the lie of UnHerd’s commissioning policy perfectly:

The site that claims to be for unheard voices, while its contributors are a parade of people who already have big media profiles, or are think-tank directors with books out.

UnHerd exists as part of a right-wing ecosystem of people, think-tanks, and publications that cosplay as outsiders while having access to the people at the heart of power and often having had access to the levers of power themselves at some point UnHerd cries that no one listens to it, while holding a hedge fund boss’ golden megaphone. And its free thinkers just happen to say exactly what that Brexit-obsessed big boss likes to hear.

Hornbill123456789 · 21/06/2021 18:47

And I think it’s pretty harmful to post such highly questionable and controversial science when people have a genuine concern over an article today. You are monopolising on people’s vulnerabilities with misinformation.

I note on a previous thread that you also suggested that Brazil have ‘done well’ with their Covid strategy.

What is your agenda because it’s not looking good @winched?

riveted1 · 21/06/2021 18:47

@Backyard72

"You asked for evidence that the vaccine was not cytotoxic, I explained that this was examined in cell and animal modelling as per standard vaccine development.

As for all vaccines/drugs, this does not prove the vaccine has no adverse effects (and indeed we've identified that some people do have adverse CVST reactions), but the fact we've given out something like 800 million doses, and these events remain rare, is reassuring."

Unfortunately reproductive issues do not show up that quickly so potential issues are unknown at present.

this was specifically in regards to a question about the spike protein being cytotoxic @Backyard72

the spike protein does not remain in the body and goes nowhere near the reproductive organs

spike protein mediated reactions will occur in the short term, it's not something that can hang around and cause issues many months later

WhatMattersMost · 21/06/2021 18:49

Bret Weinstein is certainly not right-wing - in fact, he is very much to the left of left-of-centre.

Hornbill123456789 · 21/06/2021 19:04

@WhatMattersMost the point is unherd is very right wing, has an ag

Hornbill123456789 · 21/06/2021 19:07

@WhatMattersMost the point is unherd is very right wing, has an agenda - so why would someone write for them? Probably because their science is biased, highly controversial and fits in with their very right wing narrative.

Hornbill123456789 · 21/06/2021 19:11

If I were a decent scientist I would avoid very right wing think tanks. I would not want to write for them.

bobblesandbows · 21/06/2021 19:11

I'm on the progesterone only pill. Haven't had a period for 5 years. Had my second AZ vaccine on Friday. Woke up bleeding this morning. Bit of a shock!

WhatMattersMost · 21/06/2021 19:26

[quote Hornbill123456789]@WhatMattersMost the point is unherd is very right wing, has an agenda - so why would someone write for them? Probably because their science is biased, highly controversial and fits in with their very right wing narrative.[/quote]
I am left - relatively far left, in fact - and I read Unherd because, like most things in life, there are aspects that make sense, and there are also aspects that do not. I read The Guardian, The Times, and The Telegraph. I agree with none of them fully, but I do like to garner a spectrum of views so that I can make informed decisions rather than toe a particular party or ideological line. I think Bret Weinstein would say he's similar. And that can be an unpopular stance in this very volatile online environment.

winched · 21/06/2021 19:51

Everything WhatMattersMost said (with the exception that I have never actually heard of unherd before).

I have no agenda. I posted the video because someone mentioned it and another poster asked for the source (I even put a disclaimer saying I'd attempted to check out potential biases, if anyone found anything dodgy I'd like to know, and as with everything on the internet to take with a grain of salt).

I'm not sure why you're bringing up previous threads on a thread where (your words) people have a genuine concern over an article today.

As I explained several times on that thread, I was not saying Brazil did well, I was making the point that your comparisons with the UK were completely disingenuous without accounting for population size and density, poverty levels, and availability of medical care. I was showing how two people can use the same information to create two different extreme narratives - clearly that was lost on you, and still is.

But honestly I'm starting to think you read what you want to read from my posts so I will leave it there. @Hornbill123456789

squiddylama · 21/06/2021 19:52

My first dose of Pfizer I was 2 weeks late my second I was 2 weeks early!
Both very heavy

lovelybitofsquirrell · 21/06/2021 19:53

I'm TTC.
Had vaccine on the Monday (2 weeks ago) due to ovulate on the Wednesday. Doing opks daily and haven't ovulated since.

riveted1 · 21/06/2021 19:59

@bobblesandbows

I'm on the progesterone only pill. Haven't had a period for 5 years. Had my second AZ vaccine on Friday. Woke up bleeding this morning. Bit of a shock!
I had the exact same after actually having COVID, like you it'd been over 5 years so was very alarming and my first thought was I had a UTI!

All settled down and no similar reaction after the vaccine

Choconuttolata · 21/06/2021 20:03

helloclue.com/articles/cycle-a-z/the-immune-system-and-the-menstrual-cycle

The menstrual cycle and the immune system are closely interlinked, might explain some of the patterns seen. I have Long Covid and my symptoms wax and wane with my cycle.

Branster · 21/06/2021 21:24

I'm on the mini pill and had very light bleeding for about 4-5 days about a week after Pfizer vaccination. Very rarely I get light spotting for a day if I am late taking the pill at the regular hour maybe once every 3 years as I'm super careful.

I asked at the vaccination centre if the vaccine has any effect on the mini pill, a doctor was invited over to answer me and straightaway he answered to say there is no negative effect and I should carry on as normal.

Although I am not surprised that a vaccine or other factors such as stress or illness can alter a period on a temporary basis, it would be interesting to know if Covid itself, any COVID vaccination or any vaccines in general could make hormonal contraception less effective on a temporary or long term basis.
I don't understand the mechanism on how hormonal contraception can be overridden or if it is even possible by external factors or certain infections. Apart from digestive issues preventing absorption. - that I understand .

So we have the unknown of trying to conceive plans might be temporary interrupted or absolutely not trying to conceive but not sure if the pill is still working as planned.

Beachbabe1 · 21/06/2021 21:34

I was one of the 4000 that reported it. My period was delayed for 6 days after the pfizer jab. Normally clockwork.

Sunbird24 · 21/06/2021 22:55

‘Coincidence’…
apple.news/AHW25HZ5hQjOZhZ2cGXpLWg

BoPeeple · 21/06/2021 23:15

@Sunbird24

This news story really concerns me. Anyone else? It feels like more medical gaslighting.

‘Coincidence’?

‘There’s no evidence to suggest that the vaccine affects fertility’.

Really? How the hell do they know that when the vaccine has only been offered to women of childbearing age for a couple of months?

I’ve had my vaccine but I have serious misgivings about how we’re being fobbed off about the potential side effects.

KFB1978 · 22/06/2021 03:08

Sorry this thread must be reported for wrong think and hopefully removed like others questioning the science. There cannot possibly be anything wrong with it after the years of extensive testing its had and there is absolutely no evidence of it being pushed by vested interests in the media etc as been claimed by those covidiots out there.

Get your 2nd jab and your 3rd and anymore that are deemed necessary.

Any illness is a coincidence. And if not, a small price to pay for your safety.

Branster · 22/06/2021 06:09

But the point of this thread is to highlight that in some cases periods are (temporarily, by the looks of it) changing after vaccination.
It is useful to be aware of this, especially for those of us who have experienced unusual periods. And sharing such experiences it's a good thing, surely.
It has absolutely nothing to do with anti vaxers.
We don't know why or if there is any direct link to vaccinations. Maybe in some people some vaccinations (not exclusive to covid vaccines) do delay, increase or bring forward a regular cycle. Wouldn't it be useful to look into this a bit further? I have no general knowledge, let alone specific information, about this topic. I'd like to know more. I don't even know where to start looking. Even if there's nothing to know, I'd like to see substantial evidence that there is nothing to know.
We're trying to make some sense of relatively recent personal experiences.