4000 women report period problems following vaccine

[WineGetsMeThroughIt]

I've just seen this on my Apple News but can't view it as I don't have a premium subscription. Has anyone read the full article? Is there someone similar that this information has been published? I'm really interested in what it says and what is going to be done - if anything?

Hundreds of thousands?

4579?

62347?

We don't know unless Women report, and it is
thoroughly investigated.

Could be something minor. Could be something major. The point is to provide information for informed consent.

Vaccines on the whole are a good thing. However, any diseases purposefully put into bodies that create side-effects should have those side-effects noted, reported, broadcast.

@Roonerspismed

Devi Shridhar said exactly that on BBC Newsround last week. “The vaccine is completely safe for children”. It’s now been edited on the recorded version. Again, chilling but she isn’t a pleasant woman and has an agenda

she didn't say that though- again another quote taken out of context

she said that in trials it was shown to be completely safe for children, the limiter there is important

it's frustrating how this thread, originally a space to discuss menstrual health problems after the vaccines, has gone the way of all the others

My first period after the first jab was fine, but it did start the day of the jab so there was probably no stopping it at that point!

My second one was a bit heavier and longer than usual and I had much worse period pains than I normally do, which took a combo of ibuprofen and paracetamol to calm, rather than just one set of tables.

I didn't really think much of it at the time as occasionally I'll get a period that's a bit more severe than others, but I wonder now if it was connected to the AZ jab?

I said this a few months ago when the first thread about period issues after jabs was started- if you have any changes to your cycle report it immediately.

There must be some degree of concern around this having implications simply because they’ve gone public with it.

olly in the context of the hundreds of reports of heart inflammation in young people, she said the vaccines were completely safe. She lied. She may have qualified that using the 3000 odd British children used but we all know she lied. The aren’t “completely” safe which is why they haven’t been approved for kids

Disgusting and only serves to divide and create mistrust

@Thewiseoneincognito

I said this a few months ago when the first thread about period issues after jabs was started- if you have any changes to your cycle report it immediately.

There must be some degree of concern around this having implications simply because they’ve gone public with it.

yup agree everyone needs to report so it's not something that can be dismissed because it's underreported

There must be some degree of concern around this having implications simply because they’ve gone public with it.

But this isn't true, it's just important to identify the side effects of any new drug or vaccine so that anyone taking it is informed (and we know if specific groups are more likely to have these effects), that doesn't mean they're specifically concerned that they will have "implications"

Surely so many people have had the vaccine that you can find 4000 people reporting pretty much any side effect? Unless they have figured out a mechanism for it?

@HSHorror

Im thinking maybe anaemia or insulin resistance with the virus or vax. Or maybe thyroid which can go up and down. Certainly insulin resistance causing pcos which affects periods.

Insulin resistance doesn’t cause PCOS, they often go together but you can have one without the other - it’s not even a diagnostic criterion.

@ollyollyoxenfree what concerns me about that link though is that the bias is legitimately seeping off the page.

If they want to dispute the concerns - do so. I would really love to see them take the concern, or the claim, and say... 'well actually the specific type of lipid nanoparticles have been used in this setting for X years, here are the studies in animals, here are the studies in humans, etc'. You get the idea.

Instead, at best we get 'no evidence'.

At worst we get 'because the crazy antivaxxers claim it's full of aluminium hahaha' when literally nobody is claiming that?! They're so stupid they think the vaccine is full of nanochips LOL what a bunch of idiots!

Sorry but the guy (Dr Robert Malone) isn't a quack? Doesn't seem to be an anti-vaxxer (considering he contributed to the development of the technology). Everything I found on google about him is legit, spans back years, and talks about his work on mRNA vaccine technology.

He seems to have concerns that it's not staying in the shoulder. As far as I can tell, the evidence used by Pfizer to say it would stay in the shoulder was not trial based (i.e based on human data) but theoretically evidenced on paper?

Why the silence? And the dismissal? And the straw men?

We KNOW the EMA have asked Pfizer for more evidence surrounding the manufacturing process, batch to batch consistency, product quality and this isn't due back until July 2021. We also KNOW that confirmation on either the efficacy or the safety isn't due until December 2023.

So I honestly find it boggling why any hesitation or doubt on what could logically be defined as experimental technology is put into the same box as "anti-vaxxers have been trying this shit for years". I'm not, nor have I ever been an anti-vaxxer.

I was going to link some of the similar issues raised in the BMJ but this is actually a really good read because it's a cell biologist explaining things in layman's terms as part of a hearing for the German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Committee. It's a LONG read but it sheds light on some of the things touched on in those videos + various scientists speaking out + concerns raised in the BMJ etc.

http://enformtk.u-aizu.ac.jp/howard/gcepdrrvanessaschmidttkrueger/

I'm very pro-vaccine & studying a science-related degree at the mo. Will be interesting if they do discover a link.

My first period after my AZ vaccine was horrifying. More pain than I could describe, worse than birth tbh.

I'd still get it again, but would be interesting to know if there's a definitive link!

@ollyollyoxenfree

I hope you're right, and I don't mean that with any condescension. I really hope you are.

One of the things that is discussed in that video is that debates have become so polarised that it is nearly impossible to argue a middle ground: it's either "anti-vaxx bollocks" or "good science", with no room for doubts or nuance, or the acceptance of one thing while being able to question another. I am deeply concerned when there is this kind of split thinking. So, yes, I hope your point of view prevails because that would be much more beneficial and reassuring.

@winched

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL2N2O01XP

@winched you are concerning me. You seem intent on spreading misinformation.

At worst we get 'because the crazy antivaxxers claim it's full of aluminium hahaha' when literally nobody is claiming that?! They're so stupid they think the vaccine is full of nanochips LOL what a bunch of idiots!

the author doesn't say that though, or anything like that? Its an explanation as to where the infertility claims are coming from, and links to relevant sources

you also seem to be conflating malone's claims with those from bridle

this article seems to primarily be focussed on bridle's (vaccines causing infertility - not the cytotoxic claims)

Sorry but the guy (Dr Robert Malone) isn't a quack? Doesn't seem to be an anti-vaxxer (considering he contributed to the development of the technology). Everything I found on google about him is legit, spans back years, and talks about his work on mRNA vaccine technology

@Hornbill123456789 not at all. The opposite actually, what I want is greater transparency and LESS bias.

ah that last paragraph is yours not mine @winched, not sure how it appeared there

@S0upertrooper my friend is 60 and had pretty significant bleeding after her AZ vaccine. She yellow carded it, but TBH, I am concerned they won't investigate it thoroughly. They put it down to the vaccine, but I am worried.

@riveted1 yeah I possibly am getting confused / conflating the two. I think it was Olly who posted the link as an explanation after the Malone video / podcast was mentioned so maybe that's why.

It was this part: And so it came to pass beginning as soon as the vaccines neared approval under an emergency use authorization (EUA) by the FDA that antivaxxers repurposed all their old tropes for COVID-19 vaccines, claiming that they were loaded with “toxins” (the lipid nanoparticless^ in the mRNA-based vaccines, given that they can’t contain aluminum, don’t you know?)

It's just a very dismissive and sarky attitude that I don't think does anyone looking for genuine, balanced, factual information any favours you know?

I'm not saying I believe Malone or Schmidt-Kruger... I just want the opposite side to provide evidence rather than either say 'no evidence' or dismiss as antivax nonsense.

Going back to the original point on the post - I see the same 'no evidence' stance.

I don't know, I'm willing to be told aibu here, but I feel like it just feeds the fires of conspiracy theory?

Like the lab leak thing was completely censored and debunked because no evidence. Then it turned out it had merit. And the AZ blot clot again debunked under the guise of 'no evidence', which again, had merit. So I feel wary when things are just brushed aside as 'no evidence' and put into the box of conspiracy/ misinformation.

[quote winched]@riveted1 yeah I possibly am getting confused / conflating the two. I think it was Olly who posted the link as an explanation after the Malone video / podcast was mentioned so maybe that's why.

It was this part: And so it came to pass beginning as soon as the vaccines neared approval under an emergency use authorization (EUA) by the FDA that antivaxxers repurposed all their old tropes for COVID-19 vaccines, claiming that they were loaded with “toxins” (the lipid nanoparticless^ in the mRNA-based vaccines, given that they can’t contain aluminum, don’t you know?)

It's just a very dismissive and sarky attitude that I don't think does anyone looking for genuine, balanced, factual information any favours you know?

I'm not saying I believe Malone or Schmidt-Kruger... I just want the opposite side to provide evidence rather than either say 'no evidence' or dismiss as antivax nonsense.

Going back to the original point on the post - I see the same 'no evidence' stance.

I don't know, I'm willing to be told aibu here, but I feel like it just feeds the fires of conspiracy theory?

Like the lab leak thing was completely censored and debunked because no evidence. Then it turned out it had merit. And the AZ blot clot again debunked under the guise of 'no evidence', which again, had merit. So I feel wary when things are just brushed aside as 'no evidence' and put into the box of conspiracy/ misinformation. [/quote]
but this is a thread about vaccine related menstrual changes

that link was posted in response to the claims the vaccines cause nano particles to accumulate in the ovaries, causing infertility

the article linked gives a good overview of where those claims came from and why they're false - its nothing to do with Malone and the cytotoxic claims

you can disagree with the tone but as pointed out it's a summary of the evidence - you don't need to take his word for it as all the original sources and references are linked in the article. It's the best overview of a very convoluted conspiracy theory I've seen tbh and saves posters repeating the whole sorry story with starts with "Nurse Erin"

Posts are sharing the false statement that the spike protein in COVID-19 vaccines is cytotoxic, suggesting that it kills or damages cells. There is no evidence to support this
One post (here) links to a YouTube video (here) with the caption: “Spike protein is very dangerous, it’s cytotoxic (Robert Malone, Steve Kirsch, Bret Weinstein).”

The 15-minute video shows three individuals discussing the COVID-19 vaccine and the spike protein is repeatedly described as “very dangerous” and “cytotoxic.”

Reuters Fact Check previously debunked a similar claim (here) that spike proteins created in response to mRNA vaccines are harmful or toxic to the body.

“So far, there is no scientific evidence available that suggests spike proteins created in our bodies from the COVID-19 vaccines are toxic or damaging our organs,” experts at the Meedan Digital Health Lab (meedan.com/digital-health-lab) said. (here)

Anna Durbin, Professor of International Health at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told Reuters via email that the spike itself is not cytotoxic.

“When you are vaccinated, your cells use the mRNA (or DNA from adenovirus vector) to make spike protein in your cells. Your cells “show" your immune system the spike protein and pieces of the spike protein. The spike protein does not kill those cells, it is not cytotoxic,” Durbin explained.

The T cells, which make up a part of the immune system, then see the spike protein and remember it so that if there is exposure to the virus later, they can recognize it and kill the infected cells, Durbin said.

Based on the headline, is it proven that it's a result of having the vax ? Otherwise it seems like it's implying that they had the vax and now have x , but have other factors been considered ect for possible explanation ?

@maddiemookins16mum

I’m 56 - still (😟) having regular periods! Until that is after my first vaccine. They stopped. 5 days after my 2nd vaccine, I started my period again. I then had what can only be described as the worst pain episodes ever, I was doubled over in agony, sick from the pain, shaking, I literally felt like someone was clawing at me from the inside. One episode lasted 3 hours, no painkillers would touch it. Same thing happened the next day, at work. I had to get picked up to go home.

This was similar to my daughter.

She had pains 'much worse than labour' (she's had three children) and much heavier blood loss than usual.

This happened about six hours after having her first vaccine despite her period not being due for another week (periods very regular/28 day cycle).

She was crying with pain, didn't sleep the first night and couldn't access any pain relief which eased the 'dragging' pains.

I wonder if this will happen with the second jab?

‘There is no evidence it’s cytotoxic”

What research has been done to prove it’s not?

This is on the daily fail as well if people can't get past the paywall.

I'm one of the ones who report menstrual problems after my Moderna jab - I had a heavy mid cycle bleed about 3 days after the jab which I would never otherwise have.

Based on this thread lots of ladies have had some kind of menstrual side effects and not reported - why? Just fill out the form!