4000 women report period problems following vaccine

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I've just seen this on my Apple News but can't view it as I don't have a premium subscription. Has anyone read the full article? Is there someone similar that this information has been published? I'm really interested in what it says and what is going to be done - if anything?

@Roonerspismed

So you are agreeing no one has studied accumulation of lipid nanoparticles in the body after injection?

I couldn’t see the studies. I looked on various fact checked items regarding the same but it just related to the conspiracy side of things.

I’m not talking about 5G or magnets; I want to see the studies about how nanoparticles leave the body and when, if they don’t then is behind the heart inflammation and period issues?

There's no studies on Alien probing either.

Doesn't mean they're real FFS

I’m sorry potato but you are living up to your name

I am hoping someone cleverer than me has actually looked into it. You know - like a regulator. If they haven’t then I’m desperately worried

For anyone interested, this is a great summary of the anti-vax claims that lipid nanoparticles are accumulating in women's ovaries and causing adverse effects, where these myths originated, and why they are false.

The article is a summary by Dr David Gorski, and all the statements are backed up by links and references, so you can do you own fact-checking of the primary sources

Everything old is indeed new again, with antivaxxers easily repurposing lipid nanoparticles into the role previously held by emulsifiers as the “culprits” in vaccines sterilizing women, all with a dollop of the “toxins” gambit. I can only speculate what farcical molecular “mechanism” antivaxxers will think of next to blame COVID-19 vaccines for sterilizing our womenfolk.

sciencebasedmedicine.org/covid-19-vaccines-are-going-to-sterilize-our-womenfolk-take-2/

Antivaxxers have long claimed that vaccines, particularly HPV vaccines, can damage the ovaries and cause female infertility. That claim has been resurrected for COVID-19 vaccines. The first example relied on a dubious “similarity” between the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and a placental protein. This time, it’s the lipid nanoparticles attacking the ovaries, echoing very old claims about polysorbate-80. Truly, everything old is new again.

Thanks and I appreciate the link.

I don’t find it very reassuring as it confirmed the study showing an accumulation of 0.1 per cent in ovaries alone. Is the assumption then that this is ok? How on earth do we know that? Fine for my 80 year old granny; less so my 15 year old DD

The slightly mocking tone doesn’t help.

@Roonerspismed

Thanks and I appreciate the link.

I don’t find it very reassuring as it confirmed the study showing an accumulation of 0.1 per cent in ovaries alone. Is the assumption then that this is ok? How on earth do we know that? Fine for my 80 year old granny; less so my 15 year old DD

The slightly mocking tone doesn’t help.

have you read the article @Roonerspismed?

This was a study in rats, not humans, where they were given ~35x the dose a human would receive in a vaccine

In the ovaries the peak dose was 0.095% (or less than 1:1,000 of the total dose of lipid nanoparticle)

Peak dose in the liver was 18%, which begs the question why anti-vaxxers aren't going crazy about the finding and falsely claiming the highest dose was in the ovaries? I would suggest it's because ovaries (and therefore fertility) makes a much better scare story

This document was also used to inform vaccine approval by pfizer, and has been publicly available since publication

"The bottom line is that there is no evidence that the lipid nanoparticles in the Pfizer vaccine (or any of the COVID-19 vaccines) accumulate at significant quantities in the ovaries, much less cause female infertility. This new claim is nothing more than a repackaging of the previous claim that COVID-19 vaccines cause miscarriages and female infertility because of the supposed resemblance of sequences in the spike protein and the placental syncytin protein causing the immune response from the vaccine to attack syncytin, which was a repackaging of old antivaccine claims that vaccines sterilize women. Spike protein does not sufficiently resemble syncytin to cause miscarriages and infertility, and the lipid nanoparticles in the vaccines do not accumulate in the ovaries, much less cause female infertility."

The slightly mocking tone doesn’t help.

We can agree to disagree on his tone, but it's a concise summary of all evidence to date, most importantly with all his statements backed up by original documents and references

you don't need to take mine or his words for any of the statements made, you can look at the evidence and decide for yourself

A big problem here is people middling up fertility with their period and getting frightened of the vaccine alters their period temporarily. Also assuming that a disrupted period means no ovulation. I am TTC and track my ovulation. My period is due to arrive around 7 days earlier than normal however I have still ovulated so my fertility is not affected. I also had a change in ovulation and period when I started taking prenatal supplements. Your period is often affected by environmental factors. The prenatal supplements didn’t list this as a side effect either.

Yes I did read it. I was pleased to! I am concerned. It was a rat study - and rats are smaller and unless I am mistaken different and they still found an accumulation of the nanoparticles in the ovaries.

Wasn’t this checked in humans before these vaccines were rolled out?

Is one shoddy rat study ALL that was used because right now I’m extremely concerned if it was!!! Do I sound insane or this not a massive deal (and we are seeing menstrual changes). I’m not saying this means we are “sterilising womenfolk” but using it to point out that it seems we don’t know enough before rolling this out to our young in the billions across the west

@alwayswithhope

A big problem here is people middling up fertility with their period and getting frightened of the vaccine alters their period temporarily. Also assuming that a disrupted period means no ovulation. I am TTC and track my ovulation. My period is due to arrive around 7 days earlier than normal however I have still ovulated so my fertility is not affected. I also had a change in ovulation and period when I started taking prenatal supplements. Your period is often affected by environmental factors. The prenatal supplements didn’t list this as a side effect either.

for sure

research needs to continue to determine if either COVID or the vaccines are causing changes in the menstrual cycle, increased pain in periods, or worse PMS symptoms. If it does look to be causal we need to work out why this happening.

but the assumption that changes in the menstrual cycle equates to changes in fertility is just going to be scaring a lot of women who have already been vaccinated unnecessarily

I agree @ollyollyoxenfree it definitely should be investigated. And the most likely conclusion of further research is that it is due to covid - yet large swathes of young women are leaving themselves vulnerable to covid as they are worried the vaccine is ruining their fertility by mistakenly equating their menstrual cycle with their fertility. And all of this originally came from a conspiracy theory about the vaccine being used to cause mass sterilisation of western women. Which is actually being parroted now in the comments of the daily mail article on this topic.

I don’t think that’s true at all. Hundreds of women reported it and were told there was no connection. Again the MHRA say there is no “evidence”. They have bloody looked!

Is that the best we can say? We have a rat study showing only a little bit of nano stays in the ovaries so you are imagining things?

Wasn’t this checked in humans before these vaccines were rolled out?

There's been a swathe of studies looking at the impact of vaccination on this:

"In one such study, for example, researchers studied women undergoing oocyte retrieval for in vitro fertilization. They found no detrimental effect on ovarian follicular function. Another study of women undergoing in vitro fertilization demonstrated that the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine has no detectable effect on the percentage of clinical pregnancies resulting from the procedure. Yet another study has shown that vaccination against COVID-19 has no effect on immunological tolerance of the fetus by the mother. Still another study failed to find any effect on embryo implantation rates between SARS-CoV-2 infection seropositive, SARS-CoV-2 vaccine seropositive, or seronegative women."

@Roonerspismed

I don’t think that’s true at all. Hundreds of women reported it and were told there was no connection. Again the MHRA say there is no “evidence”. They have bloody looked!

Is that the best we can say? We have a rat study showing only a little bit of nano stays in the ovaries so you are imagining things?

@Roonerspismed

but they haven't said that at all?

They've said currently, the rates are comparable to background rates (ie what you would expect if you asked billions of women if they had experienced any unusual period-related symptoms in the last 2 weeks or so). 4000 is not a large number when you consider the denominator. They've also said they're continuing to monitor.

It's just really important that anyone with symptoms reports them.

The studies on IVF didn’t look at nanoparticles in t he ovaries though did it? And these numbers are tiny.

If the MHRA numbers are ten times less than as experienced and we use the number of menstruating wen vaccinated, is this not a very common issue therefore?

I had assumed that Pfizer and or Moderna would have considered how the particles leave the body.

Weeping

I’ve had both doses of Pfizer 5 months ago and had no issues with my period.

@Backyard72 - I had this video open in another window as I scrolled and read your comment. Bret isn't a conspiracy theorist, imo; neither do his two guests' contributions strike me as the kind of tripe that underlies most anti-vaxx conspiracies. I think there is substance to this, and it is concerning, and I hope that it is given due consideration.

My sense is that there will be changes in stance both on vaccines and the over-policing of social media that appears to censor various tranches of argument indiscriminately.

[quote WhatMattersMost]@Backyard72 - I had this video open in another window as I scrolled and read your comment. Bret isn't a conspiracy theorist, imo; neither do his two guests' contributions strike me as the kind of tripe that underlies most anti-vaxx conspiracies. I think there is substance to this, and it is concerning, and I hope that it is given due consideration.

My sense is that there will be changes in stance both on vaccines and the over-policing of social media that appears to censor various tranches of argument indiscriminately.[/quote]
the podcast linked is hosted on odesee which a dead giveaway for anti-vax content IMO

[quote WhatMattersMost]@Backyard72 - I had this video open in another window as I scrolled and read your comment. Bret isn't a conspiracy theorist, imo; neither do his two guests' contributions strike me as the kind of tripe that underlies most anti-vaxx conspiracies. I think there is substance to this, and it is concerning, and I hope that it is given due consideration.

My sense is that there will be changes in stance both on vaccines and the over-policing of social media that appears to censor various tranches of argument indiscriminately.[/quote]
I agree with you WhatMattersMost. But I do think a some people might consider it anti-vax, like ollyollyoxenfree who has dismissed it just on where it is hosted. Parts of it are also on Youtube.

Naturally any vaccine that is produced from scratch in 1 year does not have the long term safety data from the 7-10 years of testing that vaccines usually undergo.

What these guys are saying is we should be clear and transparent and open minded with any side-effects and we should not be saying the vaccine is 100% safe when we don't yet know.

Only because you tube censors it!

If that again is meant to reassure me, it won’t work😆

The least reassuring thing I saw today was that earlier link confirming my worst fears. It was like “yes if only a very small amount ends up in the ovaries then people are being dumb even caring”. I’m thinking “WAIT - does ANY end up on the ovaries/brain/spleen please and do know for how long?!!!”

Nope, not in this case in my opinion, @ollyollyoxenfree. There has been censorship of anything that questions current policy, whether it is anti-vaxx or whether it is simply curious about what might be happening that isn't being widely reported.

My sister is a conspiracy theorist. We have broken contact because of her views.

I have followed Bret Weinstein for a number of years, and my take is that this is not the same. In fact, both guests have been fully vaccinated.

I'm not saying he and his guests are right, but I hope we aren't simply blindly following a protocol due to hubris and an inability for those running this to admit there may be other things to consider out there that are being swept aside.

@Backyard72 - I agree. And I find them, particularly Malone, considered, and far from accusatory, but with understandable reservations. And, as I noted above for those who are apt to dismiss this as anti-vaxx hooey, both guests have had either Pfizer or Moderna, and Malone spearheaded the mRNA tech on which both are based.

I agree with you WhatMattersMost. But I do think a some people might consider it anti-vax, like ollyollyoxenfree who has dismissed it just on where it is hosted. Parts of it are also on Youtube.

nope, I have dismissed it because of the claims raised in the video. I'm pointing out the fact it's hosted on odesee is not a good thing, in the same way it's not if it's hosted on bitchute

Naturally any vaccine that is produced from scratch in 1 year does not have the long term safety data from the 7-10 years of testing that vaccines usually undergo.
This is the case for any new vaccine though - it's a point people keep making but data cannot magically appear. All vaccines have long term follow up after they're rolled out, and that's the stage we're in now. As people have posted many times before, the vaccine followed the same protocol for development and rollout as existing vaccines.

What these guys are saying is we should be clear and transparent and open minded with any side-effects and we should not be saying the vaccine is 100% safe when we don't yet know.
I don't think anyone is claiming the vaccine is 100% safe - indeed we know it isn't (like all medications and exisiting medications). Claiming it's "cytotoxic" however, is just more anti-vax misinformation

I have had some substantial bleeding and hadn't even considered this could be linked to Covid vaccine (I've had two doses of Pfizer). I have now gone on and added a yellow card submission to note this. I wonder how many women explain away any deviations from normal menstrual cycle.

Devi Shridhar said exactly that on BBC Newsround last week. “The vaccine is completely safe for children”. It’s now been edited on the recorded version. Again, chilling but she isn’t a pleasant woman and has an agenda