Us and them- the vaccine. So much pressure

[ToTheLetter01]

Before i begin, i am not an anti vaxxer. Me and my DS have had all our jabs and we also have annual flu jabs.
However i feel such hostility and pressure from people who have had their vaccine for me to have it. The reason i do not want it at this moment is just because its still in the experimental stage until 2023 and i would like to know more long term data.
This is my choice, its my body and everyone should have the choice. Choice to have the vaccine and choice to not. I do not shame nor ridicule anyone for having it or not.
However i have felt so much pressure from friends and others in the wider public, media, government.

I feel like the nation is becoming split between us and them. ( vaccinated and unvaccinated). With things becoming unfair for people. Eg. may be able to travel and not quarantine if had vaccines, care home workers may be forced to have the vaccine. Now i get the point of view of they have had it and may be more "safe". But how is the ok in a freedom and rights point of view. As i stated freedom to do what you want with your body.

I feel like this world is becoming some kind of dystopian world. I miss my old life, i took all the freedom for granted. Its true that you don't realise how good it was until it's gone.
I don't want people to be hostile to me because of my choice to wait for long term data on the vaccine. Half of me wants to lie to people i've had it so they will not be stand off towards me.

But neither of us is free to live without consequences ....

... there are consequences to everything, including having the vaccine.

When these come to light will all of you, so happy to force vaccines on everyone, be happy to live with those consequences without any complaint?

The only people I judge for not having it are those who work with the elderly or vulnerable. It’s selfish and irresponsible.
I have a friend who’s refusing it because she’s already had covid and didn’t die (despite the fact she went to A&E claiming to be struggling to breathe, turned out it was anxiety. I won’t lecture her about it, but I will struggle to sympathise if she catches it again.

Do you understand that vaccinations don’t have long term side effects? If an adverse reaction is going to happen then it will do quite quickly.

This is as a dangerous lie. There is nothing factual about this.

I feel the same OP.
More and more news of the damage this vaccine is doing.
Why can’t there be a proper debate about it?
What have the vaccine fanatics got to fear? It’s like some sort of cult.

It's up to an individual if they want to take the vaccine, but you need to remember the true saying; You are free to choose but you are not free from the consequence of your choice.
If companies/places require an individual to be vaccinated that is their choice. There are jobs that require certain vaccinations to be had prior to working, before Covid.

@Sadsiblingatsea

I feel the same OP. More and more news of the damage this vaccine is doing. Why can’t there be a proper debate about it? What have the vaccine fanatics got to fear? It’s like some sort of cult.

I feel this about posters going on and on about not taking it.

We know, great, but if everyone did the same we’d be in dire straits.

I’m also glad it might mean no quarantine on return from holiday

@loulouljh

But the danger is not covid. That's the issue! The danger is people following like sheep, not having any independent thought, being intolerant of other people's views, being unable to debate without resorting to personal insults. The danger is also the fact we have now have incompetent dictatorship ruling this country with zero opposition. The danger is the fact we have screwed a whole generation of children. The danger is the huge backlogs with the NHS, the cancers going undetected. Those to me are the dangers. Not covid. That is small fry.

This isn't relevant to a thread regarding vaccination though? Of course the inept government is a huge issue, and children have suffered, the NHS is struggling and we have backlogs of patients.

Indeed getting everyone vaccinated is the very thing that will prevent more non-COVID damage. Increased transmission equates more overwhelmed healthcare, school closures, the necessity of more restrictions

I don't understand this kind of illogical thinking @loulouljh

But if you're making statements like "the danger is not covid" it does suggest you don't have a very good understanding of the pandemic

Op it's your body and your choice , I had both of mine but wouldn't put pressure on anyone else to have theirs (some of my family are waiting till later on) .

In a province in Pakistan the authorities say they are going to switch off the SIM cards of those who refuse to be vaxxed as the take up ( unsurprisingly) has been so low.
In Italy, a doctor and 2 nurses are being sued after someone died soon after being jabbed.
Why are the jab zealots burying their heads in the sand?
And if they are jabbed, surely they are protected ( in their eyes, at least)?

Posters seriously proving your point on here OP about the vitriol and division that this has created. Worse than the damage the virus has done itself to society IMO.

I've had both vaccs but I would never judge others for not having it. I'm not proud of myself for doing something I felt coerced into doing. My sis in law went on the last freedom March and assumed as I'd had the vacc I'd be pissed off with her. On the contrary, I'm envious of her stance in not simply accepting whatever she's been told she should do, without questioning it.

This country and life is screwed not because of some virus, but because of how we've dealt with it and how we're treating one another.

If you want to refuse the vaccine on the basis of something that isn’t true and drag out the restrictions then that’s your prerogative. But you have to accept that your choice has consequences, namely not being allowed into care homes, other countries etc as other people don’t want to be around non-vaccinated people.

@Dustyboots

Do you understand that vaccinations don’t have long term side effects? If an adverse reaction is going to happen then it will do quite quickly.

This is as a dangerous lie. There is nothing factual about this.

by what biological mechanism do you suggest long term side effects (ie >6 months), might occur?

can you give examples of any other vaccines where side effects have occurred after such a long latency period?

@Sadsiblingatsea

In a province in Pakistan the authorities say they are going to switch off the SIM cards of those who refuse to be vaxxed as the take up ( unsurprisingly) has been so low. In Italy, a doctor and 2 nurses are being sued after someone died soon after being jabbed. Why are the jab zealots burying their heads in the sand? And if they are jabbed, surely they are protected ( in their eyes, at least)?

Zealots etc isn’t very reasonable debate is it? Are you sure you’re not stirring as much as anyone

How would you manage the way out of this pandemic?

@dottydaylia

Posters seriously proving your point on here OP about the vitriol and division that this has created. Worse than the damage the virus has done itself to society IMO.

I've had both vaccs but I would never judge others for not having it. I'm not proud of myself for doing something I felt coerced into doing. My sis in law went on the last freedom March and assumed as I'd had the vacc I'd be pissed off with her. On the contrary, I'm envious of her stance in not simply accepting whatever she's been told she should do, without questioning it.

This country and life is screwed not because of some virus, but because of how we've dealt with it and how we're treating one another.

Posters argue over eating grapes in supermarket on here I doubt it’s any indication of anything in rl

Except people who get into FB rows etc

@loulouljh

But the danger is not covid. That's the issue! The danger is people following like sheep, not having any independent thought, being intolerant of other people's views, being unable to debate without resorting to personal insults. The danger is also the fact we have now have incompetent dictatorship ruling this country with zero opposition. The danger is the fact we have screwed a whole generation of children. The danger is the huge backlogs with the NHS, the cancers going undetected. Those to me are the dangers. Not covid. That is small fry.

This is just embarrassing

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1114674/

The only way we’re going to get out of this is through vaccination. The reason we’re not seeing a huge third wave of deaths and hospitalisations now is because the majority of adults have had at least one vaccine.

If everyone refused it like you, we would be in a much worse state.

Nobody knows the long term effects, but scientists (who are really clever) are pretty confident that it’s safe.

I for one did not want to wait another 2 years while they do more studies and have another 2 years hell with covid ravaging our society so I took the vaccine. Not just for me but for everyone. I trust the scientists and tbh if we find out in 10 years time that it does something terrible, at least I’ll be in the same boat as most other people.

I want things to go back to normal as quickly as possible. People not having the vaccine are getting in the way of that. So I’m not the biggest fan of people who won’t have it.

I’m 23 weeks pregnant too and I’d love to be able to bring my son up in a world where covid is more manageable.

*Research into immunisation has been based on the theory that the benefits of immunisation far outweigh the risks from delayed adverse events and so long term safety studies do not need to be performed. When looking at diabetes—only one potential chronic adverse event—we found that the rise in the prevalence of diabetes may more than offset the expected decline in long term complications of H influenzae meningitis. Thus diabetes induced by vaccine should not be considered a rare potential adverse event. The incidence of many other chronic immunological diseases, including asthma, allergies, and immune mediated cancers, has risen rapidly and may also be linked to immunisation.

We believe that the public should be fully informed that vaccines, though effective in preventing infections, may have long term adverse effects. An educated public will probably increasingly demand proper safety studies before widespread immunisation. We believe that the outcome of this decision will be the development of safer vaccine technology.*

@speckledostrichegg

The vaccine fanatics are the real conspiracy theorists. They don’t believe in the immune system.

[quote Dustyboots]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1114674/[/quote]
good grief @Dustyboots

seriously?!

Those who aren’t getting vaccinated haven’t answered the crucial question. What if we all took your stance? You’d be happy with an horrific death rate and years of restrictions?

Or are you just happy for everyone else to have it. Just not you?

What are your thoughts on those on the vaccine trials? Who put themselves forward without knowing what the side effects may be?

@Cindy974

The vaccine fanatics are the real conspiracy theorists. They don’t believe in the immune system.

urm

I hate to break it you but the vaccines rely on a functioning immune system to do their job

Those who aren’t getting vaccinated haven’t answered the crucial question. What if we all took your stance?

I'm not choosing for you to be vaccinated @Delatron

Or anyone else ...

You question confuses me.

It is anti-vax propaganda to wilfully ignore all the information about the actual trials and approvals and claim, totally wrongly, that the vaccine is still experimental

That will of course lead to people questioning your motives.

It is entirely right both that people are able to refuse the jab, and also that a refusal leads to consequences. everyine makes their own risk/benefit equation, and if you want the benefits of immunisation (whether bodily, in terms of reduced risk from the disease, or socially in terms of what the lower risk population is able to do) then you get the jab.

What you don't get are the jab benefits without having it

I don't support the idea of compulsory vaccinations.

But a couple of things:

There may be limitations placed on your life over the next few years. You're going to have to take those on the chin and not moan.

I feel a little bit irritated that you want your freedoms back but want other people to take the risk that you're not prepared to take in order to get them back.