Us and them- the vaccine. So much pressure

[ToTheLetter01]

Before i begin, i am not an anti vaxxer. Me and my DS have had all our jabs and we also have annual flu jabs.
However i feel such hostility and pressure from people who have had their vaccine for me to have it. The reason i do not want it at this moment is just because its still in the experimental stage until 2023 and i would like to know more long term data.
This is my choice, its my body and everyone should have the choice. Choice to have the vaccine and choice to not. I do not shame nor ridicule anyone for having it or not.
However i have felt so much pressure from friends and others in the wider public, media, government.

I feel like the nation is becoming split between us and them. ( vaccinated and unvaccinated). With things becoming unfair for people. Eg. may be able to travel and not quarantine if had vaccines, care home workers may be forced to have the vaccine. Now i get the point of view of they have had it and may be more "safe". But how is the ok in a freedom and rights point of view. As i stated freedom to do what you want with your body.

I feel like this world is becoming some kind of dystopian world. I miss my old life, i took all the freedom for granted. Its true that you don't realise how good it was until it's gone.
I don't want people to be hostile to me because of my choice to wait for long term data on the vaccine. Half of me wants to lie to people i've had it so they will not be stand off towards me.

Worrying about infections causing mutations in the few unvaccinated (relatively speaking) in this country compared to the rest of the works seems a bit silly tbh.

It is silly because it’s a drop in the ocean of COVID things to worry about.

And going on other diseases v their vaccines, getting the actual illness gives longer immunity.

Why does it matter whether it’s classed as ‘an epidemic’ or not if it’s not causing widespread hospitalisations?

I’m not saying that they’re ‘not impacted’ by COVID, I’m saying that they’re at very low risk of hospitalisation.

We don’t actually know whether immunity is ‘short lived’ or not yet - we don’t have that data. I don’t understand your logic anyway - pursuing natural immunity is a bad idea because immunity may be short lived but pursuing vaccine induced immunity is a good idea even though we have even less information on how long it lasts atm?

@bumbleymummy

Why does it matter whether it’s classed as ‘an epidemic’ or not if it’s not causing widespread hospitalisations?

I’m not saying that they’re ‘not impacted’ by COVID, I’m saying that they’re at very low risk of hospitalisation.

We don’t actually know whether immunity is ‘short lived’ or not yet - we don’t have that data. I don’t understand your logic anyway - pursuing natural immunity is a bad idea because immunity may be short lived but pursuing vaccine induced immunity is a good idea even though we have even less information on how long it lasts atm?

i've answered the qs about why an uncontrolled coronavirus epidemic is not good (I used that term as we're specifically talking about the UK) in PPs

We don’t actually know whether immunity is ‘short lived’ or not yet - we don’t have that data. I don’t understand your logic anyway - pursuing natural immunity is a bad idea because immunity may be short lived but pursuing vaccine induced immunity is a good idea even though we have even less information on how long it lasts atm?

It's not my logic - it's that of the WHO and pretty much all governments and leading health experts! Acquiring natural immunity is far riskier in terms of deaths, side effects and long term complications than acquiring immunity via vaccination. This trade off would be weighed more favourably if COVID was more like chicken pox, which confers long lived immunity, but the fact that it doesn't means you are putting people at risk without long term tangible benefit.

Acquiring natural immunity is far riskier in terms of deaths, side effects and long term complications than acquiring immunity via vaccination.

For the elderly/vulnerable, yes. That’s why the WHO were against this strategy at the start of the pandemic. For younger, healthier people, the risks are very low, as we can see from the data. Natural immunity may well last years - it has for other coronaviruses.

I addressed your comments on the risks of ‘uncontrolled’ spread in my pp too. I’m not sure we can still call it ‘uncontrolled’ though when over 80% of the population have antibodies from vaccination/previous infection. (ONS)

@RedToothBrush I know exactly what I’m talking about. So do you but rather than admitting to being wrong people pretend they still believe it’s for the “greater good”. You can sugar coat it all you like, you’ve been lied to from the beginning. And if you honestly believe politicians are honest then there probably isn’t much hope for humanity. The vaccine was supposed to be given to the venerable then we could ease lockdown, that didn’t happen now the age bracket is lower and lower to the point they want to vaccinate children who have sacrificed more than enough and aren’t even at risk from Covid! Just look at today’s headlines. You took an experimental vaccines for nothing, without even knowing if it will truly protect you or anyone else from Covid.

@Parker231 MRNA vaccines have never been tested of humans before. They may have been “studying” them for years but the general public is the test subject.

[quote sunnnysideup]@RedToothBrush I know exactly what I’m talking about. So do you but rather than admitting to being wrong people pretend they still believe it’s for the “greater good”. You can sugar coat it all you like, you’ve been lied to from the beginning. And if you honestly believe politicians are honest then there probably isn’t much hope for humanity. The vaccine was supposed to be given to the venerable then we could ease lockdown, that didn’t happen now the age bracket is lower and lower to the point they want to vaccinate children who have sacrificed more than enough and aren’t even at risk from Covid! Just look at today’s headlines. You took an experimental vaccines for nothing, without even knowing if it will truly protect you or anyone else from Covid.

@Parker231 MRNA vaccines have never been tested of humans before. They may have been “studying” them for years but the general public is the test subject.[/quote]
Whatever.

Bye.

You're right it does sound harsh because it is harsh.

If you can't bring yourself to care out of basic empathy then think about the benefits bill of lots of people with long covid or the cost to the nhs.

[quote sunnnysideup]@RedToothBrush I know exactly what I’m talking about. So do you but rather than admitting to being wrong people pretend they still believe it’s for the “greater good”. You can sugar coat it all you like, you’ve been lied to from the beginning. And if you honestly believe politicians are honest then there probably isn’t much hope for humanity. The vaccine was supposed to be given to the venerable then we could ease lockdown, that didn’t happen now the age bracket is lower and lower to the point they want to vaccinate children who have sacrificed more than enough and aren’t even at risk from Covid! Just look at today’s headlines. You took an experimental vaccines for nothing, without even knowing if it will truly protect you or anyone else from Covid.

@Parker231 MRNA vaccines have never been tested of humans before. They may have been “studying” them for years but the general public is the test subject.[/quote]
See this kind of sneering at people and hyperbole is what people think of when they think of anti vaxxers and people who've refused to take the vaccine. I think in the other post you actually had laughing emojis at the idea of the vaccine not working.

You would rather the vaccine proved to not work than admit you are wrong - that's pretty twisted and shows a religious rather than rational attachment to your beliefs where you'd cut your proverbial nose to spite your face.

It’s obvious the vaccines have been highly successful from the data on the numbers of hospital admittances and deaths.
The restrictions have been continued so that there is more time for more people to get vaccinated and protected.

@ToTheLetter01 I'm 100% in agreement with you, I've had my 1st Pfizer jab but since finding out that Greece, Spain,Italy, France, Netherlands & other European countries are only having 1 jab yet were being made to have 2 something just seems off to me! Other countries are saying if you've already had covid & had any of the vaccines you should be fully protected as in enough anti bodies & another vaccine shouldn't matter. Yet our government aren't claiming that! Don't get me wrong if they haven't already had covid I do think they are being made to have both jabs. I'm not keen on booking my second since my periods have disappeared since my first but according to the professionals it's all in our heads & the vaccine doesn't do anything to women's cycles despite the 1000's of women who've noticed changes since getting the vaccine.