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Workyticket · 14/06/2021 09:37

Not sure how Boris can stand up tonight and ask us to wait 'just another few weeks' after his antics this weekend.

Nor after seeing the scenes at countless pubs where people were celebrating the footy results

I'm 100% done now

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sleepwouldbenice · 16/06/2021 00:41

[quote MercyBooth]@Olderkids

Quite frankly what helps to cause non compliance in further lockdowns is comments like yours minimizing the sacrifices we have already made. Why the fuck would/should people comply with yet another one when their efforts and sacrifices are treated like nothing and minimized and history is rewritten and people are gaslighted e,g, the "we are in this mess because no one complied over Christmas" bollocks. Rubbishing and minimizing the sacrifices ppl made in the past is what ensures non compliance in the future.
Look at Hancock and his "dont blow it now" bollocks Boris said the same. News reports saying that the reason so many ppl are in hospital is because they are breaking the rules. Its already been proved that whatever the public do and whatever the public sacrifice it will never be enough. Blame blame and more blame despite the fact they got 95% compliance. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me![/quote]
Do you keep copies of your posts to just repost on random threads? I’ve read this from you before🙈

MercyBooth · 16/06/2021 01:11

Yes you have WTF would i type it all out again when its the same thing that applies?

TheClaws · 16/06/2021 01:29

It absolutely is when a total stranger on the Internet gets to decide you are you are a good person for having your vaccine. Where the police (thanks Cressida Dick) said that people should police others and social disapproval should be used. And if you remember last year this site was full of posters berating others for buying chocolate or wine. Neighbours were watching to see if people had been out for.more than their "allowed hour", people were fined for going for a walk with a coffee.

I'd say it was exactly like the Stasi

Calm down, BonnieDundee. Have a break. Go for a walk! Because - you can. It is not like the Stasi at all. This site is not real life, is it? Living in a pandemic is not usual either and we need to adapt for a time, and then things go back to business as usual like where I live. (The only thing missing is international travel.) It will be OK.

Thinkingthinking · 16/06/2021 07:13

@MRex

A bunch of double vaccinated people being tested every day, of course the G7 were all safe at an outdoor event. If they weren't able to feel safe at that point then we're all really screwed.

Waiting a few weeks to allow those in their 20s who have not been offered a jab yet to get a jab and build some level of immunity seems fair to me. They have gone through the same restrictions and deserve the same protections as older people. Letting cases reduce will also protect children, who can't be jabbed and also don't want covid. Masks are actually about protecting your fellow citizens, and aren't mandatory outside. Enjoy the sunny weather and be patient for a few weeks.

I agree with this! I had my first jab last week so not actually time enough to build any real immunity. With a child in nursery we're constantly battling illnesses as it is. Could do without COVID too.
Flaxmeadow · 16/06/2021 08:35

We are in this position because some sections of society have never complied. They have continued to mix with other households and many are now refusing the vaccine. You cannot blame ‘the government’ for this. How can they tackle such stupidity and selfishness? They have done an amazing job in impossible circumstances and whilst I understand your frustration, you would be moaning if they took away all restrictions and then you or a family member were infected. It is four more weeks, not a lifetime.

Also people not getting on board with Track and Trace and the Covid App but then blaming the Govt. Giving false phone numbers in shops and venues, repeatedly telling people to delete the app.

There was a thread a few weeks before Xmas. Something like "Will You Follow The Rules At Xmas" and it had page after page of "no they can fuck off".."I'm done now"..."I dont care if I get covid, I'm not at risk"..."I've had enough now".."I'm going to see my family and no one is going to stop me". But they all suddenly went quiet in January, when people, and not even elderly people, were dying gasping for breath in ambulances parked up in the streets in long lines.

There was a doctors diary in the papers same month. He was treating a woman, who was dying, she had told him that her family had pressured her to see everyone at Xmas. She gave in, they gave her covid.

This whole board is rammed now with covid deniers and anti vaxxers. Many are probably the discredited "it's only the flu" brigade, humiliated in early 2020 and who still can't, or refuse, to comprehend what's happening. Why they can't by now, God only knows

Tana433 · 16/06/2021 08:50

@Flaxmeadow For my part i am neither a covid denier or an anti vaxxer. I had all my jabs growing up and until fairly recently had the contraceptive jab in my backside every 12 weeks. This vaccine is a worry for me as it hasnt been tested for long enough and we just dont know what the long term effects are going to be. I rarely go out, have a healthy immune system and every part of me is screaming "dont get this yet" so im listening to my instincts. If i do get it,chances are it will be mild and that is a chance im happy to take.

sleepwouldbenice · 16/06/2021 08:57

@MercyBooth

Yes you have WTF would i type it all out again when its the same thing that applies?
A broken record Rinse and repeat
Flaxmeadow · 16/06/2021 09:01

Tana433

I understand that, I get people are worried about the vaccine, I've even tried to defend them from calls for their posts to be deleted, or those who are upset and even depressed about lockdowns, which is wholly understandable. But what I'm talking about is a real hardcore group of posters who are in huge denial, and have been since this began, and who revel in mocking anyone following rules. Piss takers basically

Zzelda · 16/06/2021 09:05

This vaccine is a worry for me as it hasnt been tested for long enough

It's based on previously established vaccine that have been thoroughly tested, and in itself has been through all the standard tests for vaccines. The reasons the process was so quick were that the developers didn't have to wait for funding, nor did they have to wait in a queue for checking and approval processes; and there were absolutely unprecedented levels of international co-operation. This article explains it quite well.

We also have the fact that billions of people have now received the vaccines with no or minimal ill effects. Doubtless you will say that we don't know about longer term effects, but they really aren't likely in people who have been fine so far, and we have the precedent of similar vaccines that have been around a long time without creating a problem.

bumbleymummy · 16/06/2021 09:22

@GlomOfNit

Wow, it's quite a spectacle, watching the MN Coronavirus board turn, in the space of about a year, from a place where the majority were screaming 'Granny Killer!' at strangers who wanted to be able to sit down on a park bench whilst out for a walk, to a place where some posters are basically saying 'fuck the young, they won't get ill' and 'why should I comply?' Hmm

Ah well.

Those types are still around. They’re calling people stupid and selfish for not being vaccinated and demanding people get tested before they come within 2m of their baby. There are just a few more sensible people around now voicing their opinions.
DeathByWalkies · 16/06/2021 09:27

Also people not getting on board with Track and Trace and the Covid App but then blaming the Govt. Giving false phone numbers in shops and venues, repeatedly telling people to delete the app.

Let's consider WHY some people have been avoiding T&T. I have been avoiding T&T because I cannot financially afford to comply.

Let's consider why

  • My business, my livelihood, has been screwed by lockdowns. I'm in the events sector. I will not see any semblance of normality until at least Spring 2022. I did write a more detailed post about this upthread but MNHQ deleted it for some bizarre reason.
  • I fell through all the crack of government support, because I went self employed just under a year before covid hit. I was banned from working, then denied SEISS, Furlough and UC. I don't have separate business premises so I was denied any support linked to having a business rates assessment - which was most of the rest of it. Along with an estimated 3 million other taxpayers, I was completely hung out to dry. twitter.com/ExcludedUK
  • I'm renting, so I wasn't eligible for the mortgage holiday. I also wasn't eligible for any help in paying that rent. My foreign landlord, whose main income wasn't affected, was eligible for the mortgage holiday - but still demanded rent in full. I therefore live wtih the very real threat of street homelessness if I can't pay the rent.
  • I've been scratching around doing some non-events work in my business, just to try and keep the wolf from the door, but this is at lower profit margins than the events sector and my income is nowhere near what it should be. I'm surviving, not thriving. I cannot earn any money without leaving the house; the only parts of the business I can do on a WFH basis do not generate income.
  • I cannot afford to take 10 days off work to self isolate. I would find myself in a situation where I
a) have zero income - because I'm self employed I don't even get SSP. b) all my usual business overheads are due (insurance, professional membership etc. etc.) c) some of my stock is perishable so that would have to be binned d) all my usual personal overheads are due (rent, council tax, utility bills, food) e) I'd also be banned from taking the dog out for a walk, and inevitably DP would be too. He's a rescue dog with behavioural issues so cannot be handed over to a well meaning volunteer for walkies. 10 days of professional dog walks (1 hours a day, group, so the cheap option) would be £140. f) then there's the little costs - starting with food. I couldn't go to the supermarket, so I'd have to pay delivery fees - I've just checked and a delivery from Asda tomorrow morning would be £4.50 - about a sixth of my food budget for the week. Then there's a minimum order of £40 - which is a lot when you live alone and are on a budget. As fresh stuff never lasts a whole 10 days, I'd need two deliveries. If a vital item was missing from the delivery - and something usually is - there's no popping to the corner shop to get a replacement. I also eat a lot of food with yellow reduced stickers on - but you can't get that delivered, so I'd be paying full price for everything.
  • There's the much talked about £500 payment for self isolation. Unfortunately, this is only guaranteed for people who are on benefits, which I've been excluded from claiming. Less than a third of applications have been a accepted when they apply for the £500 - according to the BBC map, mine only accepts 10-29% of applications. I therefore have very good reason to think that I would not receive the £500 support - and I'm also feeling incredibly mistrustful after my experience with SEISS www.bbc.co.uk/news/56201754
  • I live in a flat, and there have been cases where the T&T app has got confused and thought that people in neighbouring flats were a close contact. It works on Bluetooth, which doesn't take any account of solid walls. There have been cases of people being told to self isolate because a neighbour they never speak to has covid www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54418278

I can just about afford to nurse a couple of pints if it means I can see some friends down the pub - I need to for the sake of my MH. I can't afford to lose 10 days income and then have higher than usual living expenses and no financial support.

I suspect that failing to financially support people who are meant to be self isolating will come to be regarded as the greatest false economy of the whole pandemic. I have no doubt that it has worsened and prolonged the pandemic in this country.

So actually, there are very good reasons why I won't download the app, will leave false details in a pub, won't get tested and will blame the government. They've backed me into a corner - choosing between paying the rent and self isolation. I choose to pay the rent.

TheClaws · 16/06/2021 09:39

@Flaxmeadow

Tana433

I understand that, I get people are worried about the vaccine, I've even tried to defend them from calls for their posts to be deleted, or those who are upset and even depressed about lockdowns, which is wholly understandable. But what I'm talking about is a real hardcore group of posters who are in huge denial, and have been since this began, and who revel in mocking anyone following rules. Piss takers basically

Totally agree with this, Flaxmeadow. The arrogant, superior mocking is especially irritating.

PattyPan · 16/06/2021 10:28

The average age of death with COVID is on a par with the average life expectancy. People like the young man mentioned above were sacrificed in order to try and save people who had, in the main, already lived a long life

That doesn’t bring much comfort when I think about the death from covid of a 25 year old friend.

TheVampiresWife · 16/06/2021 10:43

@Olderkids

We are in this position because some sections of society have never complied. They have continued to mix with other households and many are now refusing the vaccine. You cannot blame ‘the government’ for this. How can they tackle such stupidity and selfishness? They have done an amazing job in impossible circumstances and whilst I understand your frustration, you would be moaning if they took away all restrictions and then you or a family member were infected. It is four more weeks, not a lifetime.
No we are not.

Compliance during the first lockdown particularly was incredibly high, well over the 80% expected - and required - to have a positive effect on slowing spread. The figures for footfall in public places/vehicle use etc prove this. But the most definitive proof is the way in which infection rates plummeted.

I'd love to know which part of what the government has done constitutes an 'amazing job'. Locking down weeks too late in March 2020 after allowing huge events to go ahead after a pandemic had been declared, perhaps? Or the ballsup around PPE and care homes? Or lack of planning for a pandemic? Or their 'let the bodies pile high' rhetoric? Or BJ shaking hands with covid patients? Or running the NHS down for a decade so it was always going to be overwhelmed if there were a public health crisis? Or allowing holidays abroad last summer? Or EOTHO? Or keeping the borders open? Or allowing travel from India while Delta ripped through it?

Tell me, which part of the government's response to covid do you most admire?

TheVampiresWife · 16/06/2021 10:46

Oh, I forgot the shitshow that is T&T. And the lack of financial support for those who have to isolate.

Nobody is going to isolate if they have to choose between paying their rent/feeding their family and doing so.

Cornettoninja · 16/06/2021 10:47

@BonnieDundee

It’s nothing like the fucking Stasi for Christ’s sake, but congratulations on minimising a brutal period of peoples lives so you can cram it into your agenda.

It absolutely is when a total stranger on the Internet gets to decide you are you are a good person for having your vaccine. Where the police (thanks Cressida Dick) said that people should police others and social disapproval should be used. And if you remember last year this site was full of posters berating others for buying chocolate or wine. Neighbours were watching to see if people had been out for.more than their "allowed hour", people were fined for going for a walk with a coffee.

I'd say it was exactly like the Stasi

Are you living in terror at being dragged off to prison for posting your opinion on the internet for thousands of people to see? Do you fear that your friends and family are secretly feeding information to the police to build a file on you? No? It’s nothing like the stasi.

I don’t know if you’ve missed the rest of the internet but people are constantly berating one another or telling everyone how they’re superior and why everyone should do things their way. Your free to tell them exactly why you don’t agree and do whatever you feel is right irl = not stasi-like.

People weren’t fined for getting a coffee, they were fined for breaching emergency pandemic restrictions whilst they were getting a coffee. People report people breaking the law all the time or would you rather people didn’t report crimes when they are aware of them? Have you spent decades outraged at Crimewatch and their ‘stasi-like’ approach on national television encouraging members of the public to report criminals?

Cressida Dick encouraged social disapproval precisely because she said the police wouldn’t be getting involved with low level stuff. Not particularly stasi-like to basically say ‘we won’t be responding to calls about people meeting up in their homes for Christmas dinner - you tell them if you think they’re dicks’.

JassyRadlett · 16/06/2021 10:52

I'd say it was exactly like the Stasi

I'd say you need to do a lot more reading about the actual Stasi.

randomkey123 · 16/06/2021 11:18

What I don't understand though is that they're saying in the media that less than 1% of hospital beds are taken up by Covid patients, and that the Delta variant is more of a cold (runny nose, sneezing and headache) and people aren't getting a cough.

So what's the delay?

Cornettoninja · 16/06/2021 11:25

@randomkey123 because at the moment areas with high numbers are just that, localised areas, and the growth percentages are faster than was factored in before the delta variant hit. Four extra weeks allows more vaccinations to try and slow down and stabilise those growth percentages as much as possible. At the moment we can’t reliably say that we can stabilise numbers (cases, admissions, deaths - whichever you take notice of) but vaccination of a high percentage of the country is expected to do that. Why wouldn’t you take the extra time for the best possible chance of not being forced to go backwards?

Egeegogxmv · 16/06/2021 11:28

If the Delta variant is just a cold that means the coronavirus is downgrading itself into a cold and I'm certainly not getting a vaccine for a cold!

QwertyGirly · 16/06/2021 11:33

Yes I'm sure it's just a cold, that's why an estimated (and very conservative estimate, it could be ten times higher than that according to The Economist) of 380,000 in India. Just a cold darling.

Onandoff · 16/06/2021 11:33

@Flaxmeadow

We are in this position because some sections of society have never complied. They have continued to mix with other households and many are now refusing the vaccine. You cannot blame ‘the government’ for this. How can they tackle such stupidity and selfishness? They have done an amazing job in impossible circumstances and whilst I understand your frustration, you would be moaning if they took away all restrictions and then you or a family member were infected. It is four more weeks, not a lifetime.

Also people not getting on board with Track and Trace and the Covid App but then blaming the Govt. Giving false phone numbers in shops and venues, repeatedly telling people to delete the app.

There was a thread a few weeks before Xmas. Something like "Will You Follow The Rules At Xmas" and it had page after page of "no they can fuck off".."I'm done now"..."I dont care if I get covid, I'm not at risk"..."I've had enough now".."I'm going to see my family and no one is going to stop me". But they all suddenly went quiet in January, when people, and not even elderly people, were dying gasping for breath in ambulances parked up in the streets in long lines.

There was a doctors diary in the papers same month. He was treating a woman, who was dying, she had told him that her family had pressured her to see everyone at Xmas. She gave in, they gave her covid.

This whole board is rammed now with covid deniers and anti vaxxers. Many are probably the discredited "it's only the flu" brigade, humiliated in early 2020 and who still can't, or refuse, to comprehend what's happening. Why they can't by now, God only knows

This is completely unfair. People are allowed to vent. Especially when no matter how compliant people have been with lockdowns and endless changes of rules (the accepted reality is the public has been amazingly complaint) and no matter how on top of the virus we become - EACH AND EVERY TIME our government fucks it all up, squanders gains through leaky border control, and take us back to square one.
Cornettoninja · 16/06/2021 12:23

@onandoff, I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said but I don’t think it covers everyone buying into the mindset.

I can’t understand how it follows when, for example, someone states they won’t be testing or isolating as a fuck you to the government (and specifically just that, no mention of circumstances that force their hand). I couldn’t understand the use of Dominic Cummings’s non-compliance as a reason to be non-compliant too. It achieves exactly the opposite of what it’s meant to.

DeathByWalkies · 16/06/2021 12:27

[quote Cornettoninja]@onandoff, I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said but I don’t think it covers everyone buying into the mindset.

I can’t understand how it follows when, for example, someone states they won’t be testing or isolating as a fuck you to the government (and specifically just that, no mention of circumstances that force their hand). I couldn’t understand the use of Dominic Cummings’s non-compliance as a reason to be non-compliant too. It achieves exactly the opposite of what it’s meant to.[/quote]
If you're talking about me, MNHQ bizarrely deleted my previous post which would have told you more details about my circumstances, and there's a subsequent post which goes into excruciating levels of detail about exactly why I can't afford to self isolate.

sleepwouldbenice · 16/06/2021 12:37

@Egeegogxmv

If the Delta variant is just a cold that means the coronavirus is downgrading itself into a cold and I'm certainly not getting a vaccine for a cold!
Can't teach stupid