Bored of Boris-bashing

[Miaowmi]

I'm not a massive fan or anything, nor do I think the government have made all the right decisions during the pandemic. But I'm just getting bored of the fuckwit Boris letting the delta variant in, fucking moron, etc narrative. I'm too bored of this to waste energy being angry! Like, honestly, it would have got in anyway. All it takes is one case. And if they had "closed the fucking border" and refused to let ANYONE or ANYTHING in from India (which is impractical) it would be branded discriminatory, racist, etc. And meh, New Zealand managed it, whatever - smaller population than London in a larger group of islands than GB&NI. Cannot understand how anyone thinks it's comparable.

I'm just fed up of all the wrath and anger. Honestly, I think the government bashing is making them go freaky-cautious. So it's detrimental to businesses, wellbeing, etc. Yeah, I get this isn't how things work in an ideal world. But the world is not ideal! I just can't bring myself to be pissed off about it.

@PracticingPerson

And it's also point blank scaremongering and untrue to state "7-8% of children get long Covid"

This is true, so yes if you deny this, you are a denier.

It is not scaremongering to state something factual.

But it's not factual! It simply isn't true. I'll deny things that aren't true all I want, quite honestly. Think about the impact this statement of "fact" might have on people who are already anxious, for whatever reason - just for what? For drama? For gratification? It's not right.

Off the top of my head: -

• late reaction re 3 lockdowns - more the 2nd and 3rd than the 1st, I think many countries were slow off the mark for the 1st
• PPE - not so much the not having it, the pretending we did
• care homes
• travel from India

But I dont blame him/ them for everything. although I really cant stand him personally.

But I can understand the idea that this is a pandemic and the virus doesnt just simply comply with our wishes, and something like the kent variant for example really was a game changer

Also some things like the furlough scheme and similar have been well managed, although I am acutely aware in some areas its not enough. It was bought in incredibly quickly and must have taken a great deal of effort behind the scenes

I was surprised he ever mentioned stopping all restrictions for example - thought it was too early to consider that. But at the moment, for once, he seems to be on the side of caution

I wish it wasnt him leading us through this. But the reason that labour arent doing that well in opposition is that on balance they really wouldnt have done any better

oh and schools - how can I have forgotten schools. I could understand the drive to keep them open, but I have no idea why they have spent billions elsewhere but given so little support to schools to help them be safer

@sleepwouldbenice I would say on balance, my view is the same as yours. There have been many mistakes, but some things have been good. Without having access to all the information, sources, complexities, etc. it is hard to know what the best course of action would be and what could, or should, have been done differently. It is easy to point at other countries, but what works in one won't necessarily work in another.

I agree that Labour have done a lot of criticising and not much in the way of presenting viable alternatives.

@PracticingPerson

And it's also point blank scaremongering and untrue to state "7-8% of children get long Covid"

This is true, so yes if you deny this, you are a denier.

It is not scaremongering to state something factual.

Exactly,‘go check out ONS stats or for more easy to read info the long covid kids website.

@Hawkins001

Id be more intrigued for people to have a detail road map of how they would of achieved success vs how Boris and gov't carried out the plans.

I’d copy the countries that haven’t destroyed their economy and killed lots of people.

@Miaowmi it is true

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/02/long-covid-uk-children-date-cause-concern-scientists-say

I’d copy the countries that haven’t destroyed their economy and killed lots of people.

Well we might not know what the best strategy is/was until many, many years from now when we see how countries such as Aus are doing long-term and when every single resident needs regular vaxing forever?

[quote Miaowmi]@sleepwouldbenice I would say on balance, my view is the same as yours. There have been many mistakes, but some things have been good. Without having access to all the information, sources, complexities, etc. it is hard to know what the best course of action would be and what could, or should, have been done differently. It is easy to point at other countries, but what works in one won't necessarily work in another.

I agree that Labour have done a lot of criticising and not much in the way of presenting viable alternatives.[/quote]
I think the worst time for me was sept / Oct
I live in the northwest. I expected an autumn lockdown (anyone that didn’t simply didn’t listen) but it started early. Local rates shot up alarmingly and we had our second wave in Liverpool hospitals
The govt really didn’t do much to help at that stage. I am not one for the north south divide but I really felt it
The pressure on local businesses was dire with very little help being offered as consumer confidence plummeted. Furlough was being pulled with a poor substitute being suggested
Yet that turned around in a day with furlough relaunched and to honest in many ways better as it’s more flexible
I am not sure why the northwest seemed to forgive that one to be honest

late reaction re 3 lockdowns - more the 2nd and 3rd than the 1st, I think many countries were slow off the mark for the 1st

Can’t comment on this as I can’t do the maths to estimate and then calculate cases, spread, R value, and all the other complicated formulae to predict exponential growth whilst considering all of the social factors, demographics, adherence/non-adherance to restrictions, hospital capacity etc etc etc. I don’t try to pretend it’s simple or easy to do whilst not destroying your economy. Leave it to the various scientists, economists and yes, politicians and accept it is not always a perfectly manageable issue! It’s just shit and frustrating though, yes.

@jgw1

What an excellent description of your contributions to this thread.

😂 oh I see. You turned my own words back on me. This is 5 years of frustration with labour coming out here. Don’t know why I’m doing you the favour. So ...

No you are, you smell. And my dads a boxer and he’s going to box your dad.

Id be more intrigued for people to have a detail road map of how they would of achieved success vs how Boris and gov't carried out the plans

I've tried, I have explained that an awful lot could be extrapolated by mid Febuary, I've talked about testing, I have expressed that the data was ignored from August (well actually late July) onwards. Of the top of my head the 10 big ones are:

1. Investing in PPE, but more importantly TESTS from late january rather than sorting out a messy divorce and going on holiday for 2 weeks
2. Once the writing was on the wall in March stop all mass events, lock down with the rest of Europe (so probrably the 9th)
3. Rather the the flannel about back to the office eat out to help out shit in the Summer remind people we are still in a pandemic, be careful, distance, stay outside.
4. Let the Freshers stay at home, accept learning for 16+ will be mostly online 5)Blended learning for 11-16, in person for primary schools 6)Don't mention Christmas, don't make rash promises state : "we don't know, we are still in a pandemic"
5. Allow schools to close early for Christmas in areas with high rates. 8)Don't send the schools back for 1 day
6. Once rates were down in the spring Hotel quarrantine for everyone.
7. Give hospitality good notice that restrictions will be in place all Summer.

There are so many decision this government have made that can’t be forgiven.

From a selfish POV as I’m a teacher, I’ll never forgive them for spending millions on a ‘school is safe’ campaign despite anyone working in schools knowing biohazard tape and sanitiser do fuck all.

I will always bash the politicians who willingly caused the deaths of 100,000+ people that they were elected to serve.

This government are lying incompetent deadly fraudsters and they deserve every bit of derision and criticism they've had.

YANBU OP. The man has guts and gets things done, yet, some continue to bash him

@mustlovegin

YANBU OP. The man has guts and gets things done, yet, some continue to bash him

Could you give us a couple of examples of things that he have got done, that have not involved enriching his mates?

I will never be bored of it.

We live in a democracy - we hold the gov to account.

We live in a democracy - we hold the gov to account.

Sorry but Labour and most of their supporters are honesty not doing a good job of this.

@WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith

We live in a democracy - we hold the gov to account.

Sorry but Labour and most of their supporters are honesty not doing a good job of this.

Surely if what you assert is correct, then all the more reason for everyone else to talk about the governments many failings as much as possible then?

@WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith

I’d copy the countries that haven’t destroyed their economy and killed lots of people.

Well we might not know what the best strategy is/was until many, many years from now when we see how countries such as Aus are doing long-term and when every single resident needs regular vaxing forever?

Regular vaccine forever or regular dying for ever. Ooh a tricky one 🤦🏻‍♀️

when every single resident needs regular vaxing forever

Who has said that this will ever be needed? I wish people stopped talking porkies

@TooManyPlatesInMotion

I will never be bored of it.

We live in a democracy - we hold the gov to account.

Exactly! We hold the government to account. Interesting how this thread is being derailed by trying to make it conservative versus labour.

Conservative MPs have understand - Rory Steward to name one - Liberal MPs have understood - Layla Moran.... MPs from all parties have understood.

Our PM hasnt, whoever you vote for, it doesn’t matter - he still needs holding to account.

He’s been useless.

@mustlovegin

when every single resident needs regular vaxing forever

Who has said that this will ever be needed? I wish people stopped talking porkies

That too! Although I happily get the flu jab every year.