Bored of Boris-bashing

[Miaowmi]

I'm not a massive fan or anything, nor do I think the government have made all the right decisions during the pandemic. But I'm just getting bored of the fuckwit Boris letting the delta variant in, fucking moron, etc narrative. I'm too bored of this to waste energy being angry! Like, honestly, it would have got in anyway. All it takes is one case. And if they had "closed the fucking border" and refused to let ANYONE or ANYTHING in from India (which is impractical) it would be branded discriminatory, racist, etc. And meh, New Zealand managed it, whatever - smaller population than London in a larger group of islands than GB&NI. Cannot understand how anyone thinks it's comparable.

I'm just fed up of all the wrath and anger. Honestly, I think the government bashing is making them go freaky-cautious. So it's detrimental to businesses, wellbeing, etc. Yeah, I get this isn't how things work in an ideal world. But the world is not ideal! I just can't bring myself to be pissed off about it.

I'll carry on being extremely cross if you don't mind.
Yes the delta variant would have been let in eventually but could have been suppressed for several weeks until more people vaccinated. I'm now living in a corner of the NW where hundreds of people are testing positive every day and the children are yo-yo ing back and forth from self isolating at school and the government literally does not give a f. And now the restrictions easing isn't happening my business still can't turn a profit. So yeah I'm still pretty cross as all of the delta variant stuff is ON HIM.

Generally speaking my biggest peeve with this government is the total lack of any kind of acknowledgement that at any point they messed up. Take the whole letting covid positive people back into care homes thing. It happened, we all know, it was a cock-up. At that stage in the pandemic decisions needed to be taken quickly, without knowing what the consequences might be. We all know that. And it was clearly a mistake. But the government is intent at changing the narrative so that it wasn't their fault Every Single Time. A simple ' sorry that was a mistake' would go a heck of a long way. Every single thing they have done they have done LATE which has ended up costing thousands (probably tends of thousands) more lives than was needed.

Yes or doesn't bode well for any future epidemics. Surely we want to learn from situations not cover it all up with bluster.

But then I'm not into politics!

@wondersun "porkies" on both sides of the argument. 7-8% of children getting Long Covid is also untrue.

At least 1% of the Labour supporters have actually bothered to come out with a decent, respectful debate. That’s exactly what is needed. The rest need to seriously change their mindset and tactics, complete rethink. I’ve actually personally debated every single one of your attempts to hold government to account, some easier than others 😂.

When it comes to overall long-term strategy against covid, where even top scientists and economists disagree with conflicting opinions, I don’t really have a clue 😂. Despite listening, learning, researching, digging, trawling the bmj, nature and other sites. (99% of Labour supporters need to do this). I don’t watch the news because of the constant political spin. Much prefer to find my own news to keep informed and avoid the political manipulation and the 99% of political dribble 🙂.

@Miaowmi

In that case, what is the percentage? Because I really want to know!

I’ll check in later on to find out thankyou ....

I really don't understand why Tory supporters seem to always want to point to Labour and their failings.

Its irrelevant what Labour want or suggest, they are at least 2 years away from having a chance to put it into practice.
Labour can't hold the Tories to account because they have an 80 seat majority.

The conservatives are in power, its them that need to justify their decisions to us - not least the India red list decisions.

Edward Egar , a govt minister is saying that it has "possibly" caused a delay in lifting of restrictions - this is totally at odds with the previous line.

[quote WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith]@Miaowmi

In that case, what is the percentage? Because I really want to know![/quote]
I think it's impossible to calculate, because nobody knows the true number of children who have had asymptomatic Covid. There have been a couple of studies which preliminarily show that a high percentage of children testing positive showed no symptoms at all and, had they not been undergoing testing for the study, wouldn't have been picked up as positive cases. Others haven't tested positive due to atypical symptoms which haven't been attributed to Covid.

Because of this, it's logical that the number of children who have had Covid is far larger than the number who have tested positive. Therefore the "long Covid" percentage is correspondingly lower in reality.

This is leaving aside the fact that the criteria threshold (symptoms +12 weeks after infection) doesn't actually correlate with the regular threshold for post-viral syndromes and this again skews the stats.

I'm just bored of Johnson full stop. Whenever I see his bumbling face I cringe that this is what we've come to.

[quote WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith]@Cornettoninja

To use shitty contacts and then not recognise their shittiness and at least publicly demand back money is another level of flaunting how little they think of the general public.

What you want your money back? Email the private company then? Email Kier or your MP. Doubt they’ll get through their shower of shite inbox quickly enough though in this crisis[/quote]
Yes I want the money back and those responsible held accountable “in this crisis”. You think it should just be written off and we can send out a memo inviting businesses to rip us off because there are zero consequences.

Tbh I find your posts hard to follow, not least because the assumption that everyone with issues with this cabinet by default must be a labour supporter. It just doesn’t follow.

I don't think I'll ever get bored with bashing Boris and his sleazy cronies. Not until there's a full, independent enquiry at the very least.

Bored?
I guess you are not Dead, Bereaved or an NHS frontliner with PTSD then
They are not bored.

Well, I'm clearly not dead. But as for the rest, you've got no idea - if you were really as caring and compassionate as you reckon, you'd consider that you don't know the personal circumstances of others, and take that into account before slagging them off online. Doesn't matter that none of us know one another, we're all still people behind the screen.

[quote WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith]@June2021

Never get bored of calling out incompetent leaders whoever they are.

No, labour supporters never get bored. Personally prefer to just vote for the opposition. Concentrate on their actual policies and manifesto instead. But this is such a mess. I don’t usually do this at all, ever, don’t get involved but...

Current Labour Party and voters are absolute rubbish. Would rather cover myself in shit than vote for them.[/quote]
WTAF are you on about!

I didn't say I supported any party. I said I would never get bored of calling out incompetent leaders whoever they are. WTAF has the Labour party got to do with this thread anyway.

In case you are totally dumb the blue party AKA the conservatives are in power and Boris is their leader and the thread is about him.

Shakes head at how off the topic and unfocused some people are.

@thecatsatonthewall

I really don't understand why Tory supporters seem to always want to point to Labour and their failings.

Its irrelevant what Labour want or suggest, they are at least 2 years away from having a chance to put it into practice.
Labour can't hold the Tories to account because they have an 80 seat majority.

The conservatives are in power, its them that need to justify their decisions to us - not least the India red list decisions.

Edward Egar , a govt minister is saying that it has "possibly" caused a delay in lifting of restrictions - this is totally at odds with the previous line.

You would think that after more than 10 years in government there would be one or two achievements that the governments supporters would be proud enough of to tell us about, but all we get is, but what about Labour.

Not bored of Boris-bashing in the slightest, but so bored of Boris ... his voice, his hair, his crass attitude, his offensive remarks, his ineptitude, his inability to take responsibility for poor decisions, his constant attempts to renege on promises and treaties, his abysmal standards of international diplomacy, his perpetual need to spread his gene pool left, right and centre. But he remains incredibly popular despite all of this and we need to understand why that is. Perhaps the right-wing grip on the media has something to do with it?

@SancerreSunsets

Not bored of Boris-bashing in the slightest, but so bored of Boris ... his voice, his hair, his crass attitude, his offensive remarks, his ineptitude, his inability to take responsibility for poor decisions, his constant attempts to renege on promises and treaties, his abysmal standards of international diplomacy, his perpetual need to spread his gene pool left, right and centre. But he remains incredibly popular despite all of this and we need to understand why that is. Perhaps the right-wing grip on the media has something to do with it?

Bullshit baffles brains maybe? A constant stream of bluster confuses and hides a lot. We saw it with Trump, people just switch off and are happy with whatever they’ve managed to interpret that suits their bias.

@Cornettoninja

Yes I want the money back and those responsible held accountable “in this crisis”. You think it should just be written off and we can send out a memo inviting businesses to rip us off because there are zero consequences.

There WILL be consequences for the private company who were supposed to be storing our emergency flu pandemic PPE. They failed/didn’t even store enough. That was all over the news, an investigation was talking place.

But we seriously have other priorities right now. Same goes for many of the complaints that are being made about the Tory government’s handling of covid. It’s going backwards, not moving forwards. Like the calls being made for a inquiry into the governments handling of the pandemic, right now! In the midst of the pandemic. Seriously? Priorities!

T&T is still in development and is a whole other thread.

Tbh I find your posts hard to follow,

Tbh, that’s not my fault, that’s yours. I’ve tried to explain myself clearly, but if you can’t understand people’s different writing/personality styles then tough. If you give me an example that’s bugging you, I’ll try to make it clearer?

not least because the assumption that everyone with issues with this cabinet by default must be a labour supporter. It just doesn’t follow.

So, am I wrong do you think? The vast majority of the time it is petty and pointless whinging from labour supporters. With a few exceptions, sure.

Maybe we have a totally different perspective to each other (we do). I still understand what it is that you are saying, I just often don’t agree with you. Sorry if I get on a long waffle, but I’ve tried! I don’t provide hyperlinks (usually lost/forgotten where I’ve read stuff). But I don’t think I’m wrong in understanding different personalities and politics. This horrible slanging match of a mess that’s gone on since brexit. It’s still going on now, here on this thread and all over the internet and TV. Get’s me emotional, it’s pointless!

@Cornettoninja

Bullshit baffles brains maybe?

Yes. Your opinions baffle me a bit too 😂

Agree with OP. Just sick of the negativity and moaning. As a nation we are actually bloody fortunate in SO many ways. People in this country can act so entitled and grumpy it becomes very very monotonous and dull. Celebrate the good too! But many people just can’t bring themselves to.

@SancerreSunsets

You need to understand that he’s a politician. Not a just a celebrity.

@DollyParton2

Agree with OP. Just sick of the negativity and moaning. As a nation we are actually bloody fortunate in SO many ways. People in this country can act so entitled and grumpy it becomes very very monotonous and dull. Celebrate the good too! But many people just can’t bring themselves to.

Very happy to celebrate the good, and I do, often. But corruption and poor leadership is not... good.

@WuhanClanAintNothingToFuckWith so you're saying he is both a politician and a celebrity - I can see why you say this, given the bizarre phenomena whereby half the nation refers to our prime minister by his first name - and you're also right to emphasize that he is a politician - which means he is obligated to act in the best interests of the nation - his love of Brexit and his strange inability to 'take control of our borders' despite being a Brexit lover, shows he has failed to act in the best interests of the nation on an epic scale.

There WILL be consequences for the private company who were supposed to be storing our emergency flu pandemic PPE. They failed/didn’t even store enough. That was all over the news, an investigation was talking place

I’m aware, I don’t trust it will amount to much until I see it. Let’s note this is happening despite current events though so your implication that there’s no resources for this right now isn’t quite correct is it?

But we seriously have other priorities right now. Same goes for many of the complaints that are being made about the Tory government’s handling of covid. It’s going backwards, not moving forwards. Like the calls being made for a inquiry into the governments handling of the pandemic, right now! In the midst of the pandemic. Seriously? Priorities!

And yet you bring up decades of neglect of the NHS? I don’t disagree, but what’s the point in going over old ground when we need to move forward? Decades of complaints (and often the same ones repeated over and over) need serious examination but going over that right now doesn’t achieve anything currently. I’d argue that letting old grievances cloud current issues let’s the current cabinet off the hook to an extent. Whilst they’re hold inquiries and ‘learning lessons’ they’re not actually doing anything address what needs to be happening right now.

T&T is still in development and is a whole other thread

I’m haven’t even tried to get into that one on this thread.

’Tbh I find your posts hard to follow

Tbh, that’s not my fault, that’s yours. I’ve tried to explain myself clearly, but if you can’t understand people’s different writing/personality styles then tough. If you give me an example that’s bugging you, I’ll try to make it clearer?

I wasn’t assigning blame and I’m not bugged at all. I was simply adding a caveat that I’m aware I’m quite possibly missing your point.

’not least because the assumption that everyone with issues with this cabinet by default must be a labour supporter. It just doesn’t follow’

So, am I wrong do you think? The vast majority of the time it is petty and pointless whinging from labour supporters. With a few exceptions, sure

Well I can only speak for myself with any degree of certainty and off the back of that yes you are wrong. I’ve seen the same sentiment echoed numerous times across MN and have no reason to disbelieve anyone.

Maybe we have a totally different perspective to each other (we do). I still understand what it is that you are saying, I just often don’t agree with you. Sorry if I get on a long waffle, but I’ve tried! I don’t provide hyperlinks (usually lost/forgotten where I’ve read stuff). But I don’t think I’m wrong in understanding different personalities and politics. This horrible slanging match of a mess that’s gone on since brexit. It’s still going on now, here on this thread and all over the internet and TV. Get’s me emotional, it’s pointless!

There’s no need to apologise to anyone or agree with them, least of all me!

I don’t particularly disagree with you but that’s largely because I can’t quite figure out what your perspective/stance actually is.