Time to move on

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This virus is here to stay and will always be around. So my question is, do we as a country move on once we are all vaccinated and get on with life as it were pre pandemic. Go out with friends, no face masks, travel Internationally and enjoy holidays, no bubbles at work or school. Not isolating untill we have a negative test ect ect. Or are we OK with going back a step everytime a new mutation pops up.

Personally for me, I think as this is around forever now and eventually will be controlled, I want things to go back to normal normal not go back a few steps if a variant appear. We can't evade them all and eventually one will evade the vaccines to an extent, but to lock the country up as we have and are doing, it's intolerable.

Won't "normal" just give us another chance of mutations?

Yea, as far as it goes - but I don’t think that’s a good reason to stay with restrictions because whatever we do, mutations will arise abroad and be imported. We can’t stop that but staying locked down here.

The current deaths and hospitalisations are low but as lockheart says, it’s more about the future and where we are headed.

Unfortunately the virus doesn't care and isn't going to listen regardless of how many people stamp their feet and scream "enough!". It's not sentient, it doesn't know what we think

This is true but as a society we can decide what we are willing to do to keep it in check. We can decide to let it run through the population if we want to. I don’t want to do so, I would rather stay as we are until we have completed the vaccination programme (acknowledging the damage this will do to many, but I see it as the lesser of two evils as compared with a further lockdown). But of course it is an option. Worst case scenario of Rationing care etc is horrific - but so are lockdowns, and the my are economically unsustainable. Of course there’s a discussion to be had about our options and which of the shit options available is the least shit.

If after the vaccinations are complete we are still not able to open up then we need to have a proper think. The basis for lockdown, even though we all know cases rise when we lift it, was to suppress till a vaccine. If after everyone is vaccinated we still can’t cope with covid without restrictions then I don’t know what the purpose of lockdown would be unless we are planing to stay in it forever.

The virus could cause havoc if we let it run unchecked through the population. Especially if we allow new, more dangerous variants in. Not just hospitals overwhelmed but all our other essential services. They could be run low on staff due to illness and stop functioning.
The virus does need to be monitored and kept under control. We can’t change that fact by wishing it were not the case.

'Time to move on'

Oh op. Do please write to PHE, Downing Street etc with this revelation. I'm sure it hasn't crossed anybody's minds before your announcement.

It is time to move on when hospitalisations stay low which fingers crossed they are. However they are rightly being cautious.

You do know we aren't still in lockdown still don't you? Leisure and hospitality all open, we can have people round etc. Social distancing in shops and wearing a face cover is not such a hardship.

How on Earth can anyone think that lockdowns have been some sort of power grab by the government when Boris has ignored the advice of scientists and consistently locked down too late to prevent a wave of infections. He clearly would have preferred a libertarian pile up the bodies strategy. I don’t doubt he is on a power grab, the attempt to prorogue Parliament and attacks on the other two pillars of our democracy are certainly not a good thing , but lockdown was not part of his plans at all.

It is right that we didn’t need such long deep lockdowns but they were only necessary because he denied the reality of an infectious disease for so long. What we needed and still need is a working track trace and isolate system. This wasn’t the first pandemic (I was in Asia for SARS and always knew this or worse was inevitable) and it won’ be the last, and we are certainly not out of the woods yet, so perhaps you need to kick off your complacent entitled science denying boots and engage with the reality that washing your hands and wearing a mask, and staying home if you have an infectious disease might just be a sensible new normal, not spreading your germs and viruses around really isn’t that much of an ask.

[quote Allmyarseandpeggymartin]@GeorgeandHarold66 Totally agree - I actually think it would do some people good to hear the numbers in context - “1600 people died in the uk today - 70 road deaths…400 cancer deaths…150 respiratory disease…7 Covid”[/quote]
Agree.

It's almost as if people didn't die before the way some go on. Context is everything.

'Totally agree - I actually think it would do some people good to hear the numbers in context - “1600 people died in the uk today - 70 road deaths…400 cancer deaths…150 respiratory disease…7 Covid”

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Yes and that is only because of the ongoing vaccinations. Otherwise it'd still be like Jan with hundreds more dying. Until they have consistent data as proof that it is staying under control then caution is needed.

Apart from international travel what are people actually missing?

Context is everything What generally marks out the consensus reached by Virologists and other scientists, from the lockdown sceptics and conspiracy theorists is that they are actually very good at putting reality into context / perspective. They have spent years trying to rid themselves of bias (although it is not possible entirely) whereas Sue who is pissed off she hasn’t been able to go out on the lash for months and gets her figures off t’internet might just not be seeing things quite straight…..,

Context is everything

The irony...

Totally agree - I actually think it would do some people good to hear the numbers in context - “1600 people died in the uk today - 70 road deaths…400 cancer deaths…150 respiratory disease…7 Covid”

70 people don't die on the roads each day, its around 5.

The UK along with the USA has by far the highest excess deaths in the year ending feb 21, around 20% extra.

PHE say delta variant up to 43k an increase of 30k over last week.

I don't think now is the time to "move on" we need to see if these correspond to hospital admissions and deaths first.

Shocking we allowed this variant to spread so widely in the UK in the first place.

Some people have lost sight of everything besides Covid.

You do know we aren't still in lockdown still don't you? Leisure and hospitality all open, we can have people round etc. Social distancing in shops and wearing a face cover is not such a hardship

Apart from international travel what are people actually missing?

Can’t really believe you’ve said those things JaniieJones. I’ve already said I don’t want the restrictions lifted on 21 June till we are sure about hospitalisations being manageable but you shouldn’t be downplaying it.

Yes hospitality is open for us to attend - but for the people who own the hospitality business, it’s a heavily reduced capacity and many are worried about being able to survive.

Theatres and the arts industry is in trouble. Sports clubs (not the premier league who make loads of money from tv rights, but the smaller clubs in all sports are vital for the wit communities and struggling).

The wedding and events industries are fucked.

In terms of as individuals, I love going to football matches and I can’t. I love going to the theatre and I can’t. Others enjoy live music, festivals or nightclubs. People want to hold dinner parties or see each other more than 2 households. People want to be able to sing at funerals and invite more people. Women don’t want to attend ante natal scans alone. I could go on.

If it’s necessary it’s necessary, but please don’t minimise it. It’s more than shops and face masks.

The level of fear and anxiety vs the residual danger (respective to what we've usually dealt with from epidemics including flu, RSV, measles, and whooping cough) is now at the level of a mass mental illness. What is really unacceptable is that it has all been entirely intentional - "project fear", to keep people in their homes. We are now faced with the tricky business of attempting to "detraumatise" those people to get society functioning properly again

All of this

And for those saying "once the vaccination programme's completed", it's not going to happen. Quite apart from those who either can't have or refuse vaccines, there'll always be another variant along for folk to get excited about and it's entirely possible that one of them will be resistant to anything thrown at it

And as ever, we've all got to die of something

utter pile of drivel

Getting worse too

@murbblurb

Fine. Need to pay more taxes, have it spent properly and not blubber if you can't get hospital treatment. All the ' I'm done' brigade happy with that? You'd better ease up on the breeding too as no guarantee of what kind of help you'll get at birth.

Really don't know what is it with you and your obsession with using the term breeding but you've been deleted for it already because it's a really derogatory way to address procreation on a parenting board so you yourself might want to ease up on it before you get banned permanently.

Lucille that poster's the same on every thread. Do report.

On another thread posters from US and other countries with vaccination only seem to be in a good place. We must be close. US is 12 plus and seems positive (other country thread)

@MarshaBradyo

utter pile of drivel

Getting worse too

Just keep reporting the poster.

Need to pay more taxes, have it spent properly and not blubber if you can't get hospital treatment

You might have done better to put the "have it spent properly" first, since there's no point at all in paying more taxes unless it's in place

No point either in speaking of "not getting treatment" in a future tense. In many areas except emergency care the NHS is already effectively finished, which is perhaps why some believe the main motivation in all of this is to privatise it

isolation with symptoms/positive test should remain

Would that be policy ... forever? Would it be backed up by legal penalties if violated? Would it mean the full "can't leave one's property" version of isolation? Would all household members have to continue to isolate until a negative PCR test or 10 days.

We forget all of that has never been applied before (with legal penalties) for flu, chickenpox, RSV, pneumonia, etc. Few immunisations for most of us for those conditions while covid vaccine is widespread and easy to get... so only for possible covid or legal-penalties isolation for any of those suspected conditions, in future, too? If not, why not.

It will probably end up me being deleted.

@jasjas1973 absolutely right. The government basically want us all to spend money domestically so best way is to shut us out of Europe for at least another year. If then. Deeply cynical but not surprising from this government.

This particular user has a very similar posting style to an MRA and in particular the use of the word breeding.

@LucilleTheVampireBat

This particular user has a very similar posting style to an MRA and in particular the use of the word breeding.

Yes, very misogynistic.