Time to move on

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This virus is here to stay and will always be around. So my question is, do we as a country move on once we are all vaccinated and get on with life as it were pre pandemic. Go out with friends, no face masks, travel Internationally and enjoy holidays, no bubbles at work or school. Not isolating untill we have a negative test ect ect. Or are we OK with going back a step everytime a new mutation pops up.

Personally for me, I think as this is around forever now and eventually will be controlled, I want things to go back to normal normal not go back a few steps if a variant appear. We can't evade them all and eventually one will evade the vaccines to an extent, but to lock the country up as we have and are doing, it's intolerable.

Absolutely (and it has been time for a while) - but it will never, never, happen. The government are enjoying the power far too much - freedom day will sadly never come.

[quote Allmyarseandpeggymartin]@GeorgeandHarold66 Totally agree - I actually think it would do some people good to hear the numbers in context - “1600 people died in the uk today - 70 road deaths…400 cancer deaths…150 respiratory disease…7 Covid”[/quote]
And that's 7 with Covid !

Agree, once all adults have been vaccinated I'm ditching the mask and living normally. I haven't been social distancing from family and friends for a while now to be honest.

Once the vaccine prog is complete yes.

I think isolation with symptoms/positive test should remain.

Children are more affected by the Delta variant. What if the next variant is even more severe on kids?

So keen to ‘get back to normal’ then?

So keen to ‘get back to normal’ then?

Yes. Enough with the "what ifs".

@LoveNote

Children are more affected by the Delta variant. What if the next variant is even more severe on kids?

So keen to ‘get back to normal’ then?

Where’s the proof that children are more affected? Beyond it only spreading to them as unvaccinated.

The Scottish health minister made comments about more kids in hospital now with Covid but this was immediately rebutted as untrue by paediatricians.

@LucilleTheVampireBat hey no need to try and tell me ‘enough’ with anything, I’ll post EXACTLY what I want love.

Kids are quite ill with the Delta variant. Long covid is reported as a real concern and schools are starting to close again. Just like this time last year

@AncientandFabulous but what’s important is, not if they are catching it but if they are getting seriously ill from it. Covid is not going away but what we really want is it to be mild and easily dealt with.

@LoveNote please don’t post worrying comments such as these unless you support with evidence

@PracticingPerson

Well, it's a point of view. It is based on ignorance but there you go. I'm sick of reading the same ill-informed, unscientific fantasy drivel. Sorry for not being more polite about it, but this just isn't a sane option. Yes we can ramp things down gradually but your suggested approach is stupid.

This 100%, couldn’t have put it better.

Of course it's time to move on. Sadly, some folk don't want us to (various members of SAGE, the WFH brigade, the perennially furloughed, and those whose lives were a bit humdrum before all this anyway so are happy to see us all being dragged down to the same level).
Also, @LoveNote I hope somebody reports your post. It's a blatant spreading of misinformation.

Yep, time to move on.

Isolation for symptoms/positive test only

No tests for the fully vaccinated, unless hospitalised.

No bubble isolations in school. Only those with symptoms/positive tests off school.

It's got to happen at some point.

Won't "normal" just give us another chance of mutations?

I'm sick of it but have no problem carrying on until next spring if it allows more of the world to get vaccinated. But since when has our government ever done anything sensible.

@applesandoranges221

Absolutely (and it has been time for a while) - but it will never, never, happen. The government are enjoying the power far too much - freedom day will sadly never come.

@applesandoranges221

If the government are enjoying the power so much, why didn't it keep us in full lockdown? Why did it lift restrictions to the extent that everyone can eat out, go to the pub, go shopping, meet up etc etc.

The only thing we can't do is abandon SD and masks, meet in big groups , go to nightclubs or go abroad, (and a lot of countries won't want to have us any way). Why would the governments of the UK not lift those last restrictions as soon as it is safe? What useful power does it give them not to do so?

@megletthesecond

Won't "normal" just give us another chance of mutations?

I'm sick of it but have no problem carrying on until next spring if it allows more of the world to get vaccinated. But since when has our government ever done anything sensible.

You might have no problem with it but people who work in industries that have been decimated might. How long can we continue to financially support people before the country goes bankrupt?

[quote LoveNote]@LucilleTheVampireBat hey no need to try and tell me ‘enough’ with anything, I’ll post EXACTLY what I want love.

Kids are quite ill with the Delta variant. Long covid is reported as a real concern and schools are starting to close again. Just like this time last year[/quote]
Post-viral fatigue is a consequence of many viruses. Long COVID has absolutely zero bearing on government policy.

[quote LoveNote]@LucilleTheVampireBat hey no need to try and tell me ‘enough’ with anything, I’ll post EXACTLY what I want love.

Kids are quite ill with the Delta variant. Long covid is reported as a real concern and schools are starting to close again. Just like this time last year[/quote]
Reports from pediatricians say different.

hey no need to try and tell me ‘enough’ with anything, I’ll post EXACTLY what I want love

I wasn't actually referring to you specifically with the "enough". I meant, in general. Don't let that deflate your balloon though, love.

Completely agree. Time to ditch all the hygiene theatre and the masks and the sanitising and the social distancing and spend the time creating an effective booster programme for the most vulnerable.

[quote Allmyarseandpeggymartin]@GeorgeandHarold66 Totally agree - I actually think it would do some people good to hear the numbers in context - “1600 people died in the uk today - 70 road deaths…400 cancer deaths…150 respiratory disease…7 Covid”[/quote]
Your point is pointless. That relatively small number of covid deaths you have quoted tells us nothing about the future situation if things just go back to normal on 21st June. That small number is after more than 6 months of pretty draconian lockdown restrictions on and off. Isn't the idea now that we take steps to prevent uncontrolled infection rates including ensuring at least all adults have been double vaccinated? And where does CEV and CV/V children fit in? They are yet to be vaccinated so are they OK to be left behind shielding?

Yes we will be living with this virus but we won't be free to return to normal as we will be depending on the the rest of the world to control it too. Unless we close up our borders which isn't going to happen. The OP asked about travel, well that will also depend on the countries you wish to travel too, it's not just down to our government's policy.

@pinkearedcow For the same reason they are ramping up the fear of the new variant, or that a survivor is allowed in the hunger games - people are much, much easier to control if they think it is a temporary situation and there is hope for jam tomorrow.

I would LOVE to go back to normal and be able to have a proper night out, not worry about taking masks with me etc etc.

Unfortunately the virus doesn't care and isn't going to listen regardless of how many people stamp their feet and scream "enough!". It's not sentient, it doesn't know what we think.

We can't let it run through the population unchecked because there is a risk that our infrastructure will be overwhelmed.

Until such a time as that risk has been sufficiently reduced, through vaccination programmes, tight border controls and so forth, we can't just merrily carry on the way we used to, no matter how much we find ourselves wishing for 2019.

The only thing we can't do is abandon SD and masks, meet in big groups , go to nightclubs or go abroad, (and a lot of countries won't want to have us any way). Why would the governments of the UK not lift those last restrictions as soon as it is safe? What useful power does it give them not to do so?

Most EU countries are happy to allow UK vaccinated people to go on holiday.
What is "safe" ? who determines this? nothing is without risk.
As far as i can see the only reason we can't go to europe is purely political, tied in Brexit/NIP.
Power is addictive, govts don't like to relinquish it.

Yet whilst there is no chance to go to France or Spain, the plan is to have an air corridor to the USA !!!

Won't "normal" just give us another chance of mutations?

Even if every single person in the UK is either vaccinated or immune from having the virus already, there is still the rest of the world, much of which hasn't had any vaccine at all! So keeping us closed down because of mutations isn't really feasible. We have to get this country back up and running and accept some level of infections and sadly, some deaths, just as we do with other diseases.