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Delta variant spreading in schools

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noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 15:38

Not posted one of these threads in a while but the data is starting to get interesting again.

The ONS infection survey data from yesterday shows an alarming increase in infection rates in secondary kids. The PHE survey also shows a jump in outbreaks in schools.

However the infection rates by area show that this is much more of a problem in the North West than e.g. the South West. That suggests that in certain areas, the situation is really bad and in others there's not (yet) a problem. This would suggest a localised approach (the govt are really keen not to talk about tiers).

What is obvious is that there are local variant hotspots, and in those hotspots, covid is running through schools, secondary in particular.

What to do? Stopping the spread of the variant out from those areas should be a high priority. Surge vaccination of adults won't be enough if it is spreading mostly in children. It's evident that the measures taken to stop the spread in schools from Sept-Dec were inadequate (isolation of close contacts only) so it seems clear that in those areas, far more robust tackling of cases in schools is needed -PCR testing not LFT, sending home whole year groups, proactively closing schools instead of as last resort. Schools in those areas already seem to have kept masks. We need to be hearing far more of what they are doing about schools in the news and what to expect.

There are those who would argue that the Delta variant should simply be allowed to spread now, however we know that one vaccination doesn't confer much immunity to it and it would be more prudent to wait until a much bigger proportion of the population are double-vaccinated and more fully protected.

There is also the question of allowing covid to spread through schools and the disruption to education that this would cause. The government announced yesterday that they are only willing to fund a pitiful amount of catch-up support and given that the schools affected are currently restricted to certain areas (and ones that were badly affected last year too), parents and pupils in those areas should not be expected to experience severe disruption caused by unmitigated covid spread if it can be dealt with more effectively. It would seem fair for more covid catch-up funding to be directed to those areas hardest hit but I haven't seen that proposed.

A few positive things: We've just had half term and that usually reduces infection rates in school children. Y11 and Y13 have now left, so secondary schools will have a reduced number of pupils. It's also less than 2 months to the summer holidays.

The Pfizer vaccine has just been approved in the UK for ages 12+. Vaccinating secondary children in those hotspots as a priority could be an option. Priority vaccinations for school staff there should be a no-brainer, I assume that has happened.

Unfortunately the government is currently suppressing data on the number of cases of the Delta variant in schools and there is a legal challenge to get this published. Why they are doing this is unclear. I do hope it's not because they want to pretend that schools aren't an issue until it's too late like they did before, but I don't trust them, for obvious reasons.

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RedcurrantPuff · 04/06/2021 15:41

Any old excuse to shut the schools down eh

noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 15:43

Can you not read?

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Delatron · 04/06/2021 15:48

I think we need to move on from the school chat. It’s been so nice not to have all the threads about schools. Luckily the vaccination program is going well and it’s not long until the summer holidays.

I can’t wait until we can move away from looking at cases.

Anyway, they won’t shut the schools again.

CallmeHendricks · 04/06/2021 15:48

"Any old excuse to shut the schools down eh"

And what excuse is that? Critical reading skills not your forte?

Sunnyfreezesushi · 04/06/2021 15:49

I think all teachers should have to have the vaccine, make it compulsory (ducks...)

CallmeHendricks · 04/06/2021 15:51

"I think we need to move on from the school chat."

Why? It's an issue that looks like it could be looming large again in the short/medium term.

"It’s been so nice not to have all the threads about schools."
Yes, hasn't it? Because numbers have been low, so there's been little need. But you can put your fingers in your ears if you prefer, and scroll on past.

noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 15:51

I think we need to move on from the school chat

Feel free to hide the thread. Someone needs to be talking about schools though, given the data.

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itsgettingwierd · 04/06/2021 15:53

It concerns mes that they may Be letting this run through schools.

Not least because it was the catalyst last time for a huge rise in cases but because Scotland are looking at this variant and an increased number of children admitted to hospital with covid (who have delta variant compared to others)

Igotnewbarstools · 04/06/2021 15:53

@Sunnyfreezesushi

I think all teachers should have to have the vaccine, make it compulsory (ducks...)
I work in education, we should have been offered the vaccine ages ago. I will never understand/agree with their reasoning not to.

However, I don't agree that it should be compulsory. Herd immunity and all that...

BlueSurfer · 04/06/2021 15:54

I think that we should either pause the end of all restrictions that we were hoping for on 21st June or else things like wfh and indoor groups mingling should be paused. Once schools finish for the summer, we can fully reopen then. By September there is no reason for all teachers not to have had at least once vaccination but it will probably be both. In addition, I think most of 12+ will also have been offered the first vaccination. That means we really just have half a term to get through and we will be in such a better situation for the next academic year.

Feenie · 04/06/2021 15:54

Always astounded by those posters who insist on saying 'shhhh, let's not talk about it and it's bound to go away' and seem convinced that by talking about it, we are somehow making it happen. Really daft.

BeaMinus · 04/06/2021 15:54

Unfortunately the government is currently suppressing data on the number of cases of the Delta variant in schools and there is a legal challenge to get this published. Why they are doing this is unclear. I do hope it's not because they want to pretend that schools aren't an issue until it's too late like they did before, but I don't trust them, for obvious reasons.

Not surprised by this. Just wish they would learn from their previous mistakes. Would also like more honesty and transparency from them. Sticking fingers in ears and ignoring the issue is not going to make it go away.

Regulus · 04/06/2021 15:55

I can not stomach the desire towards censorship from some posters.

Thank you NG for posting, it may not be palatable but pretending it's not happening is never useful.

itsgettingwierd · 04/06/2021 15:57

Agree blue there is absolutely no way we should be compromising schools and being able to remain open (and that's not suggesting shutting them but they naturally shut when so many are isolating).

For the sake of 4 weeks we need to keep other stuff shut for the sake of the children.

However I get the feeling we've heard so many uneducated opinions from people who cannot read statistics or think critically about "covid secure schools" and taking it out on teachers for government decisions that when push comes to shove and they actually have to make sacrifices for another 4 weeks for schools to be better secured they'll suddenly be less about the children!

ineedaholidaynow · 04/06/2021 15:58

Bet people will be complaining if bubbles keep bursting in schools and then wondering why someone (teachers) didn’t do something about it.

Schools/education are important, we need to talk about them (and I’m not a teacher) Just look at the fiasco with the catch up funding

WaverleyPirate · 04/06/2021 15:58

There are some obvious preventative counter measures which could be put in place for schools return after half term.

I bet the government won't bother.

ChloeDecker · 04/06/2021 15:58

Nice to see the same old posters putting their fingers in their ears ‘la la la la’ just because of who has started a thread.

The fact that a newspaper has reported that scientists have released statements that the Delta variant is being transmitted through schools and that Williamson/Johnson’s bowing to Us4Them and removing masks just as this was taking hold, means that this has every right to be discussed.

No one should be wanting schools to shut as a first option.

Everyone should be asking why better ventilation in schools still isn’t a govt priority, why masks were withdrawn, why the govt are not keeping proper tracks on families completing quarantine from countries with the Delta variant and instead, putting their children in to schools to early, not least because I’m sure they are worried their holiday abroad this summer might be in jeopardy otherwise.

Appuskidu · 04/06/2021 15:59

I bet the government won't bother.

Oh, almost certainly!

Regulus · 04/06/2021 16:00

why the govt are not keeping proper tracks on families completing quarantine

Not forgetting all those currently in Portugal over half term arriving back before Tuesday quarantine change.

ChloeDecker · 04/06/2021 16:01

Good point Regulas

Saucery · 04/06/2021 16:04

Priority vaccinations for school staff there should be a no-brainer, I assume that has happened.

Nope. Back of the queue as usual. Well, in the same place in the queue as we were before for our first vaccinations.

SweattyYetti · 04/06/2021 16:04

@noblegiraffe the govt dont give a shit and neither do the public. Those tyat careband understand are in the minority. Lost battle SadDaffodil

CoffeeWithCheese · 04/06/2021 16:04

@Regulus

I can not stomach the desire towards censorship from some posters.

Thank you NG for posting, it may not be palatable but pretending it's not happening is never useful.

From the same posters who systematically organised shutting down any threads from parents who dared to mention their schools' support during lockdowns had been lacklustre?! Daffodil
SweattyYetti · 04/06/2021 16:04

Those that care and... Hmm

Delatron · 04/06/2021 16:05

It’s as though it’s January and we don’t have vaccines. Oh wait..