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Delta variant spreading in schools

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noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 15:38

Not posted one of these threads in a while but the data is starting to get interesting again.

The ONS infection survey data from yesterday shows an alarming increase in infection rates in secondary kids. The PHE survey also shows a jump in outbreaks in schools.

However the infection rates by area show that this is much more of a problem in the North West than e.g. the South West. That suggests that in certain areas, the situation is really bad and in others there's not (yet) a problem. This would suggest a localised approach (the govt are really keen not to talk about tiers).

What is obvious is that there are local variant hotspots, and in those hotspots, covid is running through schools, secondary in particular.

What to do? Stopping the spread of the variant out from those areas should be a high priority. Surge vaccination of adults won't be enough if it is spreading mostly in children. It's evident that the measures taken to stop the spread in schools from Sept-Dec were inadequate (isolation of close contacts only) so it seems clear that in those areas, far more robust tackling of cases in schools is needed -PCR testing not LFT, sending home whole year groups, proactively closing schools instead of as last resort. Schools in those areas already seem to have kept masks. We need to be hearing far more of what they are doing about schools in the news and what to expect.

There are those who would argue that the Delta variant should simply be allowed to spread now, however we know that one vaccination doesn't confer much immunity to it and it would be more prudent to wait until a much bigger proportion of the population are double-vaccinated and more fully protected.

There is also the question of allowing covid to spread through schools and the disruption to education that this would cause. The government announced yesterday that they are only willing to fund a pitiful amount of catch-up support and given that the schools affected are currently restricted to certain areas (and ones that were badly affected last year too), parents and pupils in those areas should not be expected to experience severe disruption caused by unmitigated covid spread if it can be dealt with more effectively. It would seem fair for more covid catch-up funding to be directed to those areas hardest hit but I haven't seen that proposed.

A few positive things: We've just had half term and that usually reduces infection rates in school children. Y11 and Y13 have now left, so secondary schools will have a reduced number of pupils. It's also less than 2 months to the summer holidays.

The Pfizer vaccine has just been approved in the UK for ages 12+. Vaccinating secondary children in those hotspots as a priority could be an option. Priority vaccinations for school staff there should be a no-brainer, I assume that has happened.

Unfortunately the government is currently suppressing data on the number of cases of the Delta variant in schools and there is a legal challenge to get this published. Why they are doing this is unclear. I do hope it's not because they want to pretend that schools aren't an issue until it's too late like they did before, but I don't trust them, for obvious reasons.

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PerhapsCarriageGreen · 04/06/2021 16:22

DD is at a very small sixth form. Small (tiny) rooms and not great ventilation. Her HT was banging on about removing masks weeks before they did. I've been considering writing to ask if they would restart, but hate to stick my head up.

ChloeDecker · 04/06/2021 16:22

@noblegiraffe

Parents were told previously that children would be allowed to lateral flow test daily instead of isolating if a classmate tested positive? What happened to that?

They are running trials in 200 schools but have not, so far, published the data.

Oh really?! In 200 schools? But want happened to PHE’s statement Shock

They really don’t want to do all they can to keep our children and staff in schools safely do they?

itsgettingwierd · 04/06/2021 16:24

[quote Delatron]@ChloeDecker no you’re making yourself sound stupid. Have you seen the roadmap? Those things in schools won’t be happening. You’ll need to move on and live with Covid. It will be endemic and like all the other viral illnesses circulating.

Thankfully we have vaccines and children are the age group least affected by Covid.[/quote]
Have a look at some latest reports. There has been a rise in the number of children admitted to hospital in Scotland - all presenting with delta variant.

We don't need to close schools but we do need to proceed with caution based on data

GiveMeNovocain · 04/06/2021 16:24

Children need to be in school. They've missed far too much already. If you want them to close you need to provide evidence the cost benefit is worth it to children and society

Daffodil
CallmeHendricks · 04/06/2021 16:25

"You’re assuming it will spread like wild fire through the schools. Well we haven’t seen this happen"

Er, did you have your head in a box last November/December?
And that was with a variant whose transmission rates we were horrified about, but that pale into insignificance against this Delta one.
Yes, we have vaccines to protect (hopefully) the elderly but schoolchildren (and still a fair number of staff members) are NOT yet jabbed. And the jury is out as to whether children ever will be.

But yeah, blame Noble for starting a discussion about it.

noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 16:25

If you want them to close

Another poster who can’t read?

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ChloeDecker · 04/06/2021 16:25

Who wants them to close GiveMeNovocain?

Has the Us4Them klaxon gone off on Twitter/Facebook?

mumsneedwine · 04/06/2021 16:25

We had 3 positive cases very conveniently on Monday so no need to T&T as 48 hours passed. All in same year group and have several classes together, but obviously can't possibly have caught it in school as they are COVID safe. Magic tape.
There are potentially hundreds of contacts wandering around this week unaware that they were sitting near a positive case on Friday. I teach 2 of them and I haven't been told either (saw it on X list today while working). I've been into my mums care home loads. Vaccines are not 100%.
In the area next to me there were 82 cases last week up from 3 the previous week.
Masks back would be nice. And all staff offered the vaccine now (many colleagues not had 1 yet).
Ignoring rising cases in schools went sooooooo well in Nov/Dec.

Iggly · 04/06/2021 16:26

@RedcurrantPuff

Any old excuse to shut the schools down eh
Any excuse to ignore the fact that the government has failed again and again to ensure a covid secure school environment.... hence the government having to close schools.
itsgettingwierd · 04/06/2021 16:26

Give who wants them to close? I think perhaps MN has deleted that posts on my thread feed?

BootsScootsAndToots · 04/06/2021 16:27

I literally thank my lucky stars everyday we left the UK 2.5 years ago.

I have reception and year 5 DC and I'd really not be happy sending them to school during most of the pandemic (we were London based).

For those parents concerned at what's happening, you have my genuine sympathy.

Appuskidu · 04/06/2021 16:28

@GiveMeNovocain

Children need to be in school. They've missed far too much already. If you want them to close you need to provide evidence the cost benefit is worth it to children and society

Daffodil

Who said they wanted them to close?! How bizarre!

Talk about missing the point of the thread!

Rosehip10 · 04/06/2021 16:29

@noblegiraffe Ah back to "prioritise teachers for vaccines" again hey? Do you ever say anything else?

Delatron · 04/06/2021 16:30

@CallmeHendricks I must have had my head in a box last Nov/Dec because I didn’t realise back then we had a huge part of the population vaccinated. Silly me. It’s completely the same. You are right. 🙄

noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 16:31

I said quite a lot more, Rosehip, you should try reading my OP.

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CallmeHendricks · 04/06/2021 16:31

"children are the age group least affected by Covid."

Not anymore they're not. As those of us who are older and vaccinated are protected, the virus is going for the younger ones who are not.

@GiveMeNovocain, can you point to the post on here where you believe someone has advocated closing schools?

noblegiraffe · 04/06/2021 16:32

Are you aware that one dose doesn’t offer very much protection against this variant, Delatron? Lots of adults have only had one dose.

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Rosehip10 · 04/06/2021 16:33

@noblegiraffe I hope you aren't so verbose when teaching.

mumsneedwine · 04/06/2021 16:34

We have several students who are suffering with long COVID, many months after catching it. Children are not immune. Rarer, but no consolation if you're that child.
And we have lost colleagues, healthy young people who have families. So excuse me if I don't want to do that all over again. Many staff have not had one vaccine yet are daily in crowded rooms with no ventilation and no masks. Anyone else doing that ?

CallmeHendricks · 04/06/2021 16:34

@Delatron, once again, READ THE POSTS PROPERLY.

YOU said, "You’re assuming it will spread like wild fire through the schools. Well we haven’t seen this happen"

I asked where you were last Nov/Dec, when that was exactly what was happening. Nothing to do with vaccines at all.

Delatron · 04/06/2021 16:34

Most vulnerable adults will have had two doses by now. How are hospitalisations looking? I guess we’ll see over the next few weeks. Maybe panic then. Not sure what these threads hope to achieve to be honest.

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CallmeHendricks · 04/06/2021 16:34

"Maybe panic then."

Who's panicking?

Seriously79 · 04/06/2021 16:35

Don't you think it's a bit suspicious that 'school cases are rising' just when they have released info of a new vaccine for 12 to 15 year olds 🤔

Delatron · 04/06/2021 16:35

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