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Why are people still accepting AZ? Will it be stopped?

230 replies

Bitzyboo · 30/05/2021 17:47

DH went for his Covid vaccine today. (Under 40 so he got Moderna)

The queue at the vaccine centre was enormous.
The attended in the car park told us they were running behind on appointments and the queue was for second doses.

Dh got chatting to the guy that did his vaccine, he told him that in their vaccination centre they were using moderna for first doses and AZ were all for second.

It’s really surprised me that there’s such a huge uptake of AZ given the risk associated.
I thought by now it would have been stopped.

Are people still happily accepting it?

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DarceyDashwood · 30/05/2021 18:35

Why did your DH accept the Moderna jab when a number of people died in the US a few days after having it?

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Bitzyboo · 30/05/2021 18:35

@DarceyDashwood

Why did your DH accept the Moderna jab when a number of people died in the US a few days after having it?
@DarceyDashwood

I’m not sure. I will have to ask him that.

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Bitzyboo · 30/05/2021 18:36

@SarahBellam

Are you a Daily Fail reader, OP?

I’m not sure what that is. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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cheninblank · 30/05/2021 18:37

As someone who works in a hub, I can tell you the risk of a clot from AZ is only 1% more than it is for a clot from Pfizer.

CustardySergeant · 30/05/2021 18:38

I had my second AZ vaccine on 20th May. Zero side-effects - not even a sore arm. I'm just grateful to have been vaccinated.

MissTrip82 · 30/05/2021 18:39

I mean.......that’s the whole way risk assessment works.

This really really can’t be news to you.

You’re engaging in similar risk assessments many many times a day.

Quartz2208 · 30/05/2021 18:39

I think this is an issue with your risk assessment abilities as you have indeed pointed out, coupled with an increased media interest in the AZ vaccine as opposed to the others (in my group of a mix of vaccines its Moderna that has caused my friend to suffer - 3 months on and she is still not right).

How do you make day to day risk assessments in life?

NebbiaZanzare · 30/05/2021 18:39

I said there was a huge uptake and I was surprised given the associated risk

I think it's a personal concoction of data and personal sore spots. There's a huge uptake in driving/being a passenger in a car, despite the associated risks. People are willing to bet they won't be the unlucky one in order to reap the benefit of car travel. A few (me) just can't get past their dislike/distrust of cars and so inflate the risks in their own minds (mine) to the point where getting them (me) in a car is Hard Work.

But vaccines don't hit me in a sore spot so I don't have any emotional or psychological weight to add to the "very rare terrible outcome" data and decide it's too risky for me to have the 2nd dose of AZ.

borntobequiet · 30/05/2021 18:39

What I mean when I say I don’t understand is that I don’t how people are accepting of the associated risks.

Why? The risk is minuscule. Most people understand that.

Londonmummy66 · 30/05/2021 18:41

Hi OP which drugs company do you work for - Pfizer? I can't think of any other reason a sane person would post such a provocative shit stirring post.

suggestionsplease1 · 30/05/2021 18:42

@parrotshoes

But if we get covid due to not being vaccinated, we are much more likely to get very ill. Orders of magnitude more likely.

Why do people keep saying this? I thought that wasn't the case in young people with no underlying conditions?

There's a difference between saying the risk from the vaccine is tiny (true) and that the risk from covid is much greater (not always true).

That is why they are offering different vaccines to different age groups, in recognition of fact that, at an individual level, the vaccine may on occasion not weigh up so well against the illness compared for younger people compared to older age groups.

At a population level it would seem very clear that any vaccine is beneficial, and uptake is critical to saving thousands of lives and restarting lives again. Which is why I view it as a kind of social obligation.

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Bitzyboo · 30/05/2021 18:43

@Quartz2208

How do you make day to day risk assessments in life?

I don’t really. I don’t do much. 🙈

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Bitzyboo · 30/05/2021 18:44

@borntobequiet

What I mean when I say I don’t understand is that I don’t how people are accepting of the associated risks.

Why? The risk is minuscule. Most people understand that.

@borntobequiet

I don’t. Because someone has to be there one.
That’s the part I struggle to process.

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Scarby9 · 30/05/2021 18:44

I have my second AZ dose booked for tomorrow.
My only hesitation is that I hadn't realized I was booked in for Bank Holiday Monday and the traffic round us is very busy (holiday area). No concerns at all about the vaccine. I can compare risks and will be at far more risk driving to the vaccine centre, orgoing for a cycle ride, or eating this slice of chocolate cake, let alone spending the day in a classroom during Covid, than I will be by having the AZ vaccine - and it dramatically cuts the risk of Covid.
I can't wait.

jay55 · 30/05/2021 18:45

The number of people dying in other Western European countries show me that not being choosy saves lives.
I'm only risking myself taking AZ, and I'm happy with that risk.

SuperstoreFan · 30/05/2021 18:47

Myself and my husband had AZ as our first jab and we'll happily take them as our second jabs in a few weeks time.

IsabellesMissingSock · 30/05/2021 18:49

I know what you mean OP re the "someone has to be the statistic" comment. I had a similar thought process re AZ and waited until the place I went to was offering a different type of jab (have now had my first one).

If other people want to weigh up the risk - which statistically is indeed incredibly tiny - and go ahead, then great. But I also understand why people might not want to risk being the random statistic too.

Eminybob · 30/05/2021 18:51

[quote Bitzyboo]@Abraxan

People know the stats presented and make their own risk assessment,

This is the part I struggle to understand.

A risk assessment based on what, that they believe they won’t be a statistic that gets a clot?

But someone has to be that one, right?[/quote]
Do you never leave the house op?

Someone has to be that one that gets hit by a bus, that gets struck by lightening, that is in a car accident, etc etc etc.

Good for you that you be had your 2 doses and you’re all hunky dory. A huge % of the population have had 1 AZ dose and are awaiting the second, do you really think we are all going to refuse to get fully vaccinated? (Because that’s the current alternative to having a second az dose)

LemonandGingerTeafor2 · 30/05/2021 18:55

. And statistics wise you're more likely it break a bone putting on your slippers than dying from the AZ jab.

I'm one of the people that have actually did that

iduno · 30/05/2021 19:01

I'm not exactly happy about it but the risk are still really low. I've already had my first dose just as the news was breaking about blood clots. After I had my vaccine it was announced that very evening that under 40's wouldn't be given AZ so I was quite pissed off.

I am a bit more wary of the second vaccine but the risks are still very low.

WaterBottle123 · 30/05/2021 19:08

Hi OP

As a general rule, do you understand numbers and probability? I can recommend a book if you like.

Quartz2208 · 30/05/2021 19:12

Bless you Op when you say not much what do you mean?

You said you don’t fly is this holding you back

Looneytune253 · 30/05/2021 19:14

It's a teeny risk tho. Risk associated with flying or the pill is much more so why even worry about AZ. My first AZ was before the risk was 'discovered' and when I was getting my second one she said the fact I hadn't had any problems with my first one was a good thing so not sure why they wouldn't carry on giving out the second doses. Esp since most people currently getting their second dose will be late 40s early 50s anyway

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Bitzyboo · 30/05/2021 19:15

@WaterBottle123

Hi OP

As a general rule, do you understand numbers and probability? I can recommend a book if you like.

@WaterBottle123

Oh what’s the book? That would be great!

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Oly4 · 30/05/2021 19:16

Because I don’t think the risks are huge, don’t be silly. I’m far more worried about getting Covid and having long Covid