Why are people still accepting AZ? Will it be stopped?

[Bitzyboo]

DH went for his Covid vaccine today. (Under 40 so he got Moderna)

The queue at the vaccine centre was enormous.
The attended in the car park told us they were running behind on appointments and the queue was for second doses.

Dh got chatting to the guy that did his vaccine, he told him that in their vaccination centre they were using moderna for first doses and AZ were all for second.

It’s really surprised me that there’s such a huge uptake of AZ given the risk associated.
I thought by now it would have been stopped.

Are people still happily accepting it?

I take other medications which have much higher risks
I'm CEV
My covid risk was much much higher than the AZ risk and I'm 36

@Abraxan

No one (in the up at least) has died of the clots following their second vaccine iirrr.

Where is this information?

It’s probably because I’m not very good at perceiving risk

Think you may have cracked it there.

I must admit I'm a little concerned about getting my second AZ jab this week as I was really ill for several days after my first.
Within 12 hours I was shivering and feverish. The whole of the following day I had the worst headache of my life, I was vomitting and I could barely keep my eyes open.
The day after I still had a banging headache, my legs felt like lead and I just felt generally like crap. This continued for around 4-5 days until I gradually started to feel normal again a week after my jab

Yup, happily accepted my second dose of the AZ vaccine at the ripe old age of 33 because I understand how tiny the risk is, and how much greater the risk of Covid is. Total no-brained to have it.

Is the risk of covid much greater at age 33 though? I thought it wasn't, and that's why under 40s are being offered an alternative vaccine? (Risk of dying, not risk of catching it)

A huge risk?

Have i missed something?

Taking The Pill has a much higher risk

@godmum56

If you don't understand risk assessment and risk based decision making then why are you surprised at something you admit you don't understand?

@godmum56

I guess I just expect everyone to think like me (when in reality I know they don’t)

What I mean when I say I don’t understand is that I don’t how people are accepting of the associated risks.

What do they base their decision on? That they think they won’t be the statistic? Or that they are happy to accept they might be.

@ZNation

Probably because people don't have any other options if they already have had AZ for 1st jab other than not have 2nd jab.

This. 20yo Dd had her 2nd dose of az yesterday. She had the first before the U.K. started saying they wouldn’t now use it for younger people. So for her she had no choice if she wanted her 2nd one. She’s a bit worried but we had a talk about how small the risk is. Though I get her point that the risk is (by the sounds of it) even smaller with moderna or Pzifer.

You are at higher risk taking the contraceptive pill.

www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1159/rr-4

If you arenot hood at assessing risk why would you start a thread like this?

*good

What kind of healthcare worker are you OP?

@YellowPurple

A huge risk?

Have i missed something?

Taking The Pill has a much higher risk

I didn’t say there was a huge risk.

I said there was a huge uptake and I was surprised given the associated risk. (Huge uptake, not huge risk)

Oh give over!

I’ve had both mine. I’m 45, asthmatic, overweight and possibly a history of heart problems in my family. I had AZ both times, and am fine. First time, the next day I felt yuck, second one, all good.

I’ll risk it for a biscuit (actually not a biscuit person, but, meh!)

Anything to get us out of this shit!

I think Dd based her decision on the fact that due to the numbers she’s unlikely to be the statistic. Not that she’s happy to be the statistic (because if you’re the unlucky one in whatever you might drop down dead). The same as she gets in a car knowing she has a one in whatever chance of being killed in a car crash but accepting it’s unlikely.

There’s actually 17 cases associated with the second dose.

Out of how many??

Bitzyboo

I think you don’t understand risk assessment

It’s the balance between the possibility of something bad happening and how severe the negative impact will be vs the positives

If you only make risk assessment based upon the fear of being the one in a million bad result then you need to give up doing literally anything

You’re in danger of implying that people who have the AZ have not factored in the very remote risk

I am very pleased that I have had both of my Astrazeneca doses, and very relieved.

There are minuscule risks associated with all of the vaccines, as with all medication. Banning the Astrazeneca vaccine due to bigged up risks and media scaremongering would be utterly foolish.

Op, any of us could drop dead tomorrow from all sorts of causes. We could indeed be the unlucky one that gets a fatal clot from the az. But if we get covid due to not being vaccinated, we are much more likely to get very ill. Orders of magnitude more likely.

And thanks to our arrogant fuckwit of a prime minister, cases are starting to rocket again. Vaccines are the only way out of this mess.

OP, do you think all the women who've had a bad reaction to the pill should constantly mention it on SM? Should those who've lost a relative due to a bad reaction to it? Should we campaign to get it banned? Or do you think it's a useful medication that has unfortunate side effects for a small minority?

@CovidCorvid

I think Dd based her decision on the fact that due to the numbers she’s unlikely to be the statistic. Not that she’s happy to be the statistic (because if you’re the unlucky one in whatever you might drop down dead). The same as she gets in a car knowing she has a one in whatever chance of being killed in a car crash but accepting it’s unlikely.

That's how I looked at it. I had my first 6 weeks ago and I'm waiting to see if I get called earlier than 11-12 weeks for the second. I want to have it and get it over and done with.

@RealhousewifeofStoke

What kind of healthcare worker are you OP?

@RealhousewifeofStoke

I work in a residential home. I’m a health care assistant.

Happy to accept the extremely small level of risk to help get things going again.

There's risk inherent to everything. If everyone held back from Astrazeneca we would be encouraging more illness, prolonging restrictions or returning to lockdowns with all the consequences they bring. I kind of view it a social obligation. But I also understand some people are extremely anxious and I don't judge.

You said Huge uptake and wonder why it hasnt been stopped

So basically you are saying the risk of having the AZ is huge!!!

It really isnt, it isnt even 1%
And the clots happen in people everyday anyway, so they cant actually tell IF these clots were actually 100% caused by AZ

It ‘can’ possibly cause platelets to be low.
But so can Paracetamol , It is actually a side effect of that too.
How many people take paracetamol every day

The Pill has a higher risk of blood clots than the AZ vaccine

If you had a car accident on the way home from having a vaccine, Was it the vaccines fault or was it ‘just one of those things’

Being alive is a ‘risk’ OP

But if we get covid due to not being vaccinated, we are much more likely to get very ill. Orders of magnitude more likely.

Why do people keep saying this? I thought that wasn't the case in young people with no underlying conditions?

There's a difference between saying the risk from the vaccine is tiny (true) and that the risk from covid is much greater (not always true).

Are you a Daily Fail reader, OP? Remember the primary purpose of shitrags like that is to sensationalise everything so the gullible will continue to pay their bloated salaries.