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Why are people still accepting AZ? Will it be stopped?

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Bitzyboo · 30/05/2021 17:47

DH went for his Covid vaccine today. (Under 40 so he got Moderna)

The queue at the vaccine centre was enormous.
The attended in the car park told us they were running behind on appointments and the queue was for second doses.

Dh got chatting to the guy that did his vaccine, he told him that in their vaccination centre they were using moderna for first doses and AZ were all for second.

It’s really surprised me that there’s such a huge uptake of AZ given the risk associated.
I thought by now it would have been stopped.

Are people still happily accepting it?

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Mygardenisanightmare · 30/05/2021 18:12

It seems like a lot of people believe this. There’s actually 17 cases associated with the second dose.

Out of millions, MILLIONS OF DOSES. Why would they stop it ffs? How many people sadly die in road traffic accidents every week? Are you calling for all driving to be banned? I thought not Hmm. Stop trying to scare people fgs

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Bitzyboo · 30/05/2021 18:12

@Rosehip10

No wonder there were huge queues if people like your DH "got chatting" to the people trying to vaccinate.
@Rosehip10

Crikey, I wouldn’t like someone like you to have been administering our vaccines! Imagine the awkward silence!

Small talk goes a long way.

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Serpenta · 30/05/2021 18:13

Can't wait for my second AZ jab.

TheVampiresWife · 30/05/2021 18:14

Why are people crossing roads, OP, given the associated risk? Why are people getting on trains or driving or getting on bikes? A couple of hundred people a year seriously injure themselves putting on their slippers. When will crossing the road or trains or cars or bikes or indeed slippers be stopped?

We take hundreds of risks every day. Most of them, however, don't stop us getting a disease from which we (or loved ones) may become seriously ill, particularly if there are vulnerabilities involved. And statistics wise you're more likely it break a bone putting on your slippers than dying from the AZ jab.

Slippers are more dangerous than the AZ jab, OP. Let's stop slippers IMMEDIATELY.

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Bitzyboo · 30/05/2021 18:14

@oneglassandpuzzled

I'm surprised you're surprised, OP. Perhaps those who've had their first or second jabs of AZ are just better at risk assessment.
@oneglassandpuzzled

Oh yes, I definitely don’t doubt this.

I openly admit I’m not good at assessing risks.

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giletrouge · 30/05/2021 18:14

Why do people get on planes knowing there's a risk of DVT OP?

Sirzy · 30/05/2021 18:14

There wasn’t time for small talk when I had my vaccines, they asked the needed questions and then did the vaccine so beyond the polite hellos and thank yous then there was no room for more and rightly so!

TheVampiresWife · 30/05/2021 18:15

@Serpenta

Can't wait for my second AZ jab.
Me too! Mine's next week.
oneglassandpuzzled · 30/05/2021 18:16

Bitzyboo to be clear, I didn't mean you specifically, just AZ refusers/deniers!

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Bitzyboo · 30/05/2021 18:16

@giletrouge

Why do people get on planes knowing there's a risk of DVT OP?
@giletrouge

Or get on them knowing there’s a risk of it crashing!!!

I’ve only ever flown twice and I doubt I’ll do it again. it’s far too scary for me.

I genuinely don’t understand why people fly either.

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Abraxan · 30/05/2021 18:17

Perhaps because the mortality rate for those specific clots is much lower than the that for the clots with AZ.

The risk of those specific clots are higher with covid than they are with the vaccine iirr.

When I was admitted to hospital when I had covid it was in if the first things they scanned and checked for.

People know the stats presented and make their own risk assessment,

Womendohavevaginasnick · 30/05/2021 18:18

Sensationalised much?
Sounds like you've been radicalised by the media 🤣

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Bitzyboo · 30/05/2021 18:18

@Abraxan

People know the stats presented and make their own risk assessment,

This is the part I struggle to understand.

A risk assessment based on what, that they believe they won’t be a statistic that gets a clot?

But someone has to be that one, right?

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SpringLoadedJizz · 30/05/2021 18:19

I've had both doses of AZ, I didn't have time to chat as I was in and out the surgery in 2 minutes.

DH is under 40 and was given his first dose of AZ last week, he was given the choice to leave if he wanted Pfizer instead (Moderna not being done in our area) but he was happy to take AZ as they couldn't promise the date for his first Pfizer being soon.

At my first dose it was only when the blood clot info was being reported so I was told I might feel headachey and that was it. DH was told if he had a sudden headache or mild one for more than 24 hours to go get checked out straight away so they have changed the recommendations for people with that side of things at least.

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Bitzyboo · 30/05/2021 18:19

@Womendohavevaginasnick

Sensationalised much? Sounds like you've been radicalised by the media 🤣
@Womendohavevaginasnick

Well I do read far too much.... 🥴

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BiggerBoat1 · 30/05/2021 18:19

So you freely acknowledge that you don't understand the risk and yet you've started a thread on this. Confused

I have my second AZ jab next week and I can't wait. The risks are tiny and the potential benefits huge. I'll also be driving there OP which carries a far greater risk than the jab itself.

NebbiaZanzare · 30/05/2021 18:20

I'm in Lombardia. My group (50+) started getting their first shots on Friday. Most of us got AZ. A few J&J, fewer still were put in the Pfizer group.

I feel like absolutely shit, the exact same absolutely shit I felt in August when I suspected I had Covid.

Back in August (due to how ill I felt) I ended up in ER, got a head CAT scan with contrast and little tiny blood clots were discovered in my brain. This is all in my records, I raised it on my pre vaccine questionnaire, but perhaps whatever risk factors are associated with AZ they aren't as clear cut and wide ranging as they are being perceived ?

rwalker · 30/05/2021 18:20

I think the up take is due to most people use common sense EVERYTHING has a risk .
Personally I prefer the risk of AZ compared with getting covid, the virus running wild and the country fucked .

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Bitzyboo · 30/05/2021 18:20

@BiggerBoat1

So you freely acknowledge that you don't understand the risk and yet you've started a thread on this. confused

Yes but this is what I’ve asked others

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colouringcrayons · 30/05/2021 18:20

I think you ask a valid question OP. I also was told they were only using AZ for second doses and had moved to Moderna for first doses regardless of age.

I wondered if they might be more keen to go with the mRNA vaccines going forwards, and for boosters, due to the slightly higher protection?

Abraxan · 30/05/2021 18:20

No one (in the up at least) has died of the clots following their second vaccine iirrr.

The clots are treatable if known about. People are now aware of them and of their symptoms, so can look for the symptoms and get treatment if concerned.

And as already said, the risk from clots is greater with actual covid than with the vaccine.

Sirzy · 30/05/2021 18:21

By that premise you wouldn’t do anything though. Everything in life poses as risk so we have to learn to assess that risks and if we feel it is worth taking.

If I cook I know there is a risk I will burn myself, a risk I will start a fire, a risk I will get food poisoning etc etc but I know those risk are very small and worth taking

EasterIssland · 30/05/2021 18:21

[quote Bitzyboo]@Abraxan

People know the stats presented and make their own risk assessment,

This is the part I struggle to understand.

A risk assessment based on what, that they believe they won’t be a statistic that gets a clot?

But someone has to be that one, right?[/quote]
The odds are it most likely it won’t happen but if it happens shit happens.
Same when getting on the car , the odds are I won’t die in a car accident but if it happens ... then ..
but same at home , domestic accidents happen. Shall I be sat on a sofa forever and ever but don’t move because of the risks moving out would have? But staying on the sofa forever implies a risk as well.

Everything in life comes with a risk. Even the vaccine you took had it’s own risk

Undertheoldlindentree · 30/05/2021 18:22

Because there is absolutely no alternative. When I had my first shot two months ago, I asked if it was possible to have Pfizer (due to family history of blood clots). Nurse explained no, the Pfizer all reserved for second doses for those who had it first time around. So I accepted AZ as was that or nothing.

Second shot yesterday and told had to have AZ (to match first shot) and nurse explained that even if I were coming in that day for my first shot, it would still be AZ as I'm in my fifties. No alternative vaccine available at all for my age group.

All very positive, helpful, short discussions but it was made clear there is no alternative. In that situation won't most people accept anything rather than the greater risk of Covid?Confused Not sure why OP is implying there is any choice otherwise?

godmum56 · 30/05/2021 18:23

If you don't understand risk assessment and risk based decision making then why are you surprised at something you admit you don't understand?

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