Will the unvaccinated have to “stay at home”

[auntpollie]

I’m pregnant, due November and have decided not to have the vaccine until after baby is born.

I’m starting to worry that there will be rules for what unvaccinated people can or cannot do.

Will it be the case where you have to be vaccinated to eat / drink out, go to the hairdressers or nail salon etc....?

I don’t want to spend my time at home but I’m not comfortable being vaccinated whilst pregnant.

Most vaccinated people do not transmit the virus.

The vast majority of people's underlying ferlity will not change in 3 months.

These are the medical realities.
But you are entitled to your own facts.

You are also ignoring the psychological and emotional impacts of waiting, traumatisednoodle which again suggests a lack of knowledge or perhaps empathy.

But you are entitled to your own facts.

Well you’ve picked your own facts for yourself, so it’s only fair.

3 months is the difference between April and July.

Again, where did you get the three months from?

April - only groups 1-9 vaccinated
July - All adults.

What are you advising your clients about Covid vaccination ?

This is basically picking OP's pregnancy apart.

Horrendous.

Congratulations on your pregnancy OP. Do what you think is best for you and your miracle baby.

Honestly if you choose not to have the vaccine then there will be some things you might not be able to do around others and that is fair and reasonable

I agree with this. There are people who genuinely can't have the vaccine. People who choose not to have the vaccine make their lives 100% more difficult.

@Wingingthis

Op ignore the nasty people, if I were pregnant I wouldn’t feel comfortable having the vaccine either. It’s personal choice and whatever your decision is fine. I’m sure you’re all doing what you believe is best for your baby x

Personal choice comes with consequences. To make that choice ( esp when the current advice to pregnant women is that the vaccine is safe) and to complain about possible consequences is unreasonable.

My mental health like that of many others has fallen apart this last year. My adult disabled son like many disabled people has had virtually no provision this last year (no educational opportunities, virtually no social opportunities, no respite at all until 2 weeks ago). he is at home, bored out of his mind, depressed and angry in turn.

First we had to protect the elderly and the NHS. The implied suggestion now from people like the OP is that we should accept yet another lockdown because some people have chosen not to be vaccinated and we need to protect them because it would be so unfair if THEY, having made that choice, were excluded from certain activities.

The basic wellbeing of many people has been sacrificed. I am not prepared to have my mental heath and that of my son further eroded because some people can't look beyond their own nose. There's a bloody vaccine and medical people are saying it's safe for pregnant women to have, so fgs have it!

@Blankspace101

I don’t want to spend my time at home but I’m not comfortable being vaccinated whilst pregnant.

But you are happy to increase your chances of getting Covid while you are pregnant? And you don’t care if you spread it about to other people during that time either

@Blankspace101

Ah yes because I will be going out unmasked, hugging all of the vaccinated people, coughing on them and infecting them with Covid (that I don’t have)

Have you forgotten that there are still millions of people that are unvaccinated? Or those who are vaccinated people can still transmit Covid?

My gosh with some of these responses you’d think I’d actually posted to say I’m planning on going out; whilst pregnant, to catch Covid and then pass it to everyone else.....

I’m talking about dinner here and there, perhaps an occasional coffee with a friend.
but don’t worry, I will wear my “I’m not vaccinated” badge and ring my bell.

We were never protecting the elderly.

We were protecting the NHS

I completely respect anyone's right not to have the vaccine and I have no idea whether places will insist that only vaccinated people can go. My thoughts are they won't because young people (under 30) are still waiting for the vaccine and (as far as I'm aware) children aren't being offered it, so presumably a blanket "vaccinated only" rule would vastly reduce potential customers. I'm not sure though.
As you're pregnant though, I'd strongly advise you avoid busy places as much as possible. I've been researching as I'm pregnant too. Agreeably, the vaccine is somewhat of an 'unknown', although there have been no incidents of anything happening to pregnant women or their babies so far. What is known, is that covid definitely can cause problems in the third trimester, including a greater likelihood of hospitalisation and increased chance of a premature baby, with all the risks/complications that causes. For me, because of my job, I simply cannot avoid crowded spaces and there is no social distancing or even masks now (in a school), so my first jab is booked for next week. The risk of covid for me feels a lot greater than someone who can wfh / socially distance and isolate as much as possible.
Those are just my thoughts - you do whatever works best for you. Best wishes for your pregnancy.

traumatised are you sure you know how pregnancy works?! Like, timings etc?

Fertility treatment isn’t guaranteeed to work - far from it! It’s a CHANCE at pregnancy, not a dead cert. the majority of cycles fail and most women need several cycles to conceive, if they’re lucky enough to do so.

Your posts smack of a complete lack of empathy and knowledge. I’m sure it won’t stop you sticking to your guns though.

@TurquoiseLemur

The implied suggestion now from people like the OP is that we should accept yet another lockdown because some people have chosen not to be vaccinated and we need to protect them because it would be so unfair if THEY, having made that choice, were excluded from certain activities.

How on EARTH, did you take that “Implied suggestion” from my post....

I asked if unvaccinated people would be prevented from doing certain things.
I didn’t mention anything about a lockdown, needing protection of anything being unfair.

@traumatisednoodle

April - only groups 1-9 vaccinated July - All adults.

What are you advising your clients about Covid vaccination ?

@traumatisednoodle

Believe it or not, in the midst of fertility treatment (including several failed) I didn’t think to ask about a Covid vaccination, nor did I ever consider delaying in order to have a vaccine first.

I didn’t think to consider how I might be an inconvenience for choosing to peruse my pregnancy plans over my Covid vaccine.

I also didn’t think I would be made to feel this terrible of a forum called “mums” net.

The long and short answer is it depends! If vaccination rates are high among those eligible eg 90% nationwide and community transmission is very low then they won't want to bring in such authoritarian measures but if some communities remain stubborn to the vaccination message and hotspots remain they might need to bring in more "sticks"

People get emotive about the vaccine because the more people that don’t have it, the longer we’re in this mess. The longer we can’t enjoy the freedoms we used to enjoy and we’re ruining it for the younger generation especially.

The reason we’re coming out of this hell is because most people are getting vaccinated.

My husband works in the travel industry and it makes me so sad, upset and scared when I see people refusing the vaccine, as in my head I feel like redundancy is looming ever closer if we don’t all get vaccinated.

I also have a friend
with cancer and I worry about her as she can’t get vaccinated.

@Ylvamoon

There are people who genuinely can't have the vaccine. People who choose not to have the vaccine make their lives 100% more difficult.

And what about people like me......
I’m under 40, I had my first vaccine (AZ) in March and due my second.
I’m now in a position where I’m not happy to accept a vaccine that is no longer recommended for my age group and incidents of blood clots relating to the second dose, are rising.

Would you like to make my life 100% more difficult, should I take the risk with the second dose to appease you and others that have your attitude to the vaccine uptake?

@auntpollie you shouldn't be made to feel terrible it's personal choice with vaccinations.

I would say that vaccines are a very emotive subject as lockdowns have been very hard on everyone.
For those with children it's been very exhausting time with home schooling, juggling work, nothing open to entertain and no grandparents etc. That's why it becomes a sensitive topic because the thought of going backwards is so incredibly tough.

One of the risks with going backwards is if less people are vaccinated then the cycle goes on and on.

It's great that you are pregnant, just as with your personal choice not to take the vaccination it does mean you should also look to adapt behaviours to minimise the potential of you contracting covid to protect yourself, your baby and others around you.

I keep hearing people saying personal choices have consequences.
So to offer one example, what about obese people and the extra strain they place on the NHS? Should there be consequences to that? Should we limit access to health care for the morbidly obese due to the personal choices that have been made? Ditto smokers and ditto drinkers.
If we want to go down the individual responsibility route we need to ask these questions.

@Iloveasda1000

I keep hearing people saying personal choices have consequences. So to offer one example, what about obese people and the extra strain they place on the NHS? Should there be consequences to that? Should we limit access to health care for the morbidly obese due to the personal choices that have been made? Ditto smokers and ditto drinkers. If we want to go down the individual responsibility route we need to ask these questions.

Oh here we go. Yes, refusing a vaccine is EXACTLY the same as the complex set of issue that can cause a person to develop addictions, including overeating, alcoholism and tobacco addiction.

Aposterhasnoname
Choices either have consequences or they don't. You can't have it both ways.

@lollipop10 as it jas been said before, the higher the % of vaccinated people in the overall population the safer it will be for people who genuinely cannot have the vaccine.

People who have a choice, and decide not to get it, make life more difficult for those who can't have it.
We all want to get on with life, this thread is a prime example.

I didn’t think to consider how I might be an inconvenience for choosing to peruse my pregnancy plans over my Covid vaccine

But the person who is "inconvienced" is you. Either because you need to take extra care or becuase you catch Covid (most likely from a fellow unvacinated person).

I am sorry this thread isn't giving you what you want.

Hi OP. I am pregnant and have made the decision to get the vaccine. It has been proven now that a couple of them are safe in pregnancy and a couple of my friends have had it. The way I weigh it up is by thinking, if I actually got the virus I could get so poorly that I might lose my baby whereas the risk of the vaccine is incredibly low.

Think about it for yourself and do the research and speak to your GP and the vaccine centres and make the best decision for you and bump.

I think there is a chance that when the roll out is finished that there maybe certain things like going abroad which are easier with a vaccine passport. But we don't really know any of this for certain!
Good luck