Page 2 | Will the unvaccinated have to “stay at home”

WWYD12345 · 30/05/2021 10:18

If you choose not to have the vaccine I don't think it's that much of a hardship to spend a couple of months unable to go to certain places or whatever. Once everyone has been offered the vaccine I'm not against short term vaccine passports.

I had DD last July and we have spent a massive part of my pregnancy and her life unable to do things and we've coped. I struggle to have (much) sympathy for people worrying about something in X months time that may or may not happen. If covid has taught us anything, it's that you don't know what may or may not happen and you have to live for the now.

PotteringAlong · 30/05/2021 10:20

You cannot have it every which way. You’re more comfortable with the risk of catching Covid when pregnant that having the vaccine: that is entirely your right. But you are not going to get the peace of mind that being vaccinated brings you without being vaccinated.

Carefree1 · 30/05/2021 10:20

I’d like to hope not OP. I’m due in August and have had my letter to say I’m now eligible. There’s absolutely no chance that I will be having it in pregnancy as there are too many unknowns. But that’s my choice.
It would cause too much division (more so than now), creating an almost 2 tier state. People should respect an individual’s choice to get vaccinated or not and it certainly shouldn’t prevent anyone from establishments. We don’t do that for more serious illnesses

Wingingthis · 30/05/2021 10:21

Op ignore the nasty people, if I were pregnant I wouldn’t feel comfortable having the vaccine either. It’s personal choice and whatever your decision is fine. I’m sure you’re all doing what you believe is best for your baby x

Goldieloxx · 30/05/2021 10:21

I'm in favour of vaccine passports, as long as those who can't have the vaccine for medical reasons aren't negatively impacted. If you are pregnant and unvaccinated then why take the risk of going anywhere you don't need to anyway, it's not like you have to stay in forever. Nothing about this virus is fair unfortunately!

JMJTHEWEEDONKEY · 30/05/2021 10:22

I'm in the same camp as you @auntpollie I don't feel comfortable at all with having it while pregnant either.

Your previous replies weren't rude either. Strange place here lot of the time!

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auntpollie · 30/05/2021 10:22

@SmidgenofaPigeon

Well, I’m confused why you had to throw in how long you’ve waited to be parents- the implication of that is that it’s all the more precious to you and you won’t be taking the perceived risk of the vaccine, where others who may not have waited so long are more devil-may-care. That is how it read.

@SmidgenofaPigeon

Okay, I don’t wish to argue with you about this.

Your post said you are pregnant and have take me the vaccine. That’s your choice and I’m respectful of that and that the decision was the right one for you.

I was simply stating that after waiting a long time I’m not comfortable with the risks, that’s my choice and has no relevance to your or pregnancy.

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paralysedbyinertia · 30/05/2021 10:22

I don't understand. If case numbers go up significantly, surely you'll have to stay at home if you're unvaccinated anyway, regardless of what the guidance says? Otherwise you'd be putting yourself and your baby at too great a risk?

I understand the decision for people to wait until they've had the baby to get vaccinated, but would assume that they are therefore making the choice to largely isolate until after the birth in any case?

JMJTHEWEEDONKEY · 30/05/2021 10:23

@Carefree1 extremely well said. I've noticed lots of jumping on people not feeling comfortable with it and that behaviour towards a pregnant lady is appalling

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 30/05/2021 10:24

@Goldieloxx

I'm in favour of vaccine passports, as long as those who can't have the vaccine for medical reasons aren't negatively impacted. If you are pregnant and unvaccinated then why take the risk of going anywhere you don't need to anyway, it's not like you have to stay in forever. Nothing about this virus is fair unfortunately!

You’re in favour of them whilst it’s a vaccine you are happy to take, it’s a dangerous path to go down- imagine if the government demand you have a vaccine you aren’t so keen to have!

JMJTHEWEEDONKEY · 30/05/2021 10:29

@OnlyFoolsnMothers that is exactly what is scaring me that people seem to be thinking along those lines! So many think that is acceptable despite the fact that numerous others would become mandatory also without a doubt. People need to realise that. Also that more and more things would become mandatory....

GoldenOmber · 30/05/2021 10:31

Will it be the case where you have to be vaccinated to eat / drink out, go to the hairdressers or nail salon etc....?

Seems unlikely. The government would face a lot of resistance to bringing in legislation to do that, it would be very hard to implement anyway and it probably wouldn’t be very effective.

I think the most you’re likely to see is guidance to unvaccinated people to be extra cautious if there’s a rise in covid cases, which presumably you’d be doing anyway if pregnant.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 30/05/2021 10:31

[quote JMJTHEWEEDONKEY]@OnlyFoolsnMothers that is exactly what is scaring me that people seem to be thinking along those lines! So many think that is acceptable despite the fact that numerous others would become mandatory also without a doubt. People need to realise that. Also that more and more things would become mandatory....[/quote]
Exactly- I’m not anti vaccines and happy to have mine when I’m ready- however people seem to think the nazis started with introducing concentration camps on day 1, control is something that once given away is hard to get back

LittleCatDog · 30/05/2021 10:33

I highly doubt there will be any restrictions singling out unvaccinated people, it would be a minefield for discrimination cases. Some people have been advised not to have it for medical reasons, some won't have it for religious or philosophical reasons etc. I just don't see it happening. It's far more likely they'd impose lockdowns again rather than single groups out and risk the backlash.

I'm pregnant too and due in September and have just received my call up for the vaccine. I'm still deciding whether to wait until after the birth. If I do wait I'll effectively be isolating until then as I think the risk of getting COVID is worse than the risk of the vaccine... but if you can isolate then no need to rush to get the vaccine if you don't want to. My husband and family have all been vaccinated so I won't mingle beyond that group until baby is out and I get the vaccine I think. Don't feel pressured to get it if you don't want it, but just take care and be extra careful x

MrsTophamHat · 30/05/2021 10:33

I agree that it seems to be inconsistent logic.

You're so risk averse that you won't have a vaccine, but yet should cases be circulating so widely among the unvaccinated that Stay At Home guidance is issued, you want to continue to go out in crowded public places and potentially catch Covid whilst heavily pregnant?

Onceuponatime1818 · 30/05/2021 10:35

There’s no way they will have different rules for the vaccinated and not vaccinated. Like there aren’t different rules for kids who’ve had their jabs and those who havent.

I’ve not even managed to book my
Vaccine yet- everywhere is full!

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 30/05/2021 10:36

OP didn’t say she wanted to go to crowded places - she said she didn’t want restrictions on where she could go. Everyone implying she wants to go raving ffs

NicknamesAreLikeKleenex · 30/05/2021 10:37

I understand why you’re worried and haven’t looked into the risks and benefits of the vaccine for pregnant women to make a judgment but you do seem to be overlooking the risk of the virus.

Given that you’re understandably super-cautious about risks in this pregnancy if I were you I would
a) research risks and benefits from reliable sources - bearing in mind that there are a lot of unknowns
b) apply cautious levels of social distancing
c) watch case levels in my area like a hawk and if they start to go up to really worrying levels review the available evidence and advice again and take the decision to either vaccinate or self-isolate for the rest of my pregnancy.

Your theoretical and highly implausible concerns about vaccine permits being required to go to the cafe or go shopping for prams are neither here nor there in terms of what is the best choice for safeguarding your and your prospective child’s health.

JMJTHEWEEDONKEY · 30/05/2021 10:45

@OnlyFoolsnMothers that is exactly it.

Unfortunately so many cannot see that or just won't see it. I'm sure that when it moves onto something that they're uncomfortable about they would soon have something to say about it. Others would still blindly follow though as is always the case.

The control would never come back and I dread to think what some of the things implemented could be. Others who have been vaccinated don't feel comfortable with their children being vaccinated against this but that would definitely become mandatory also. Slippery slope indeed.

I've also been vaccinated against the usual and so has my children so I'm not against vaccinations in case anyone thinks that!

Whatevergetsyouthroughthenight · 30/05/2021 10:47

I think that the unvaccinated should stay at home as if they don’t, they are creating a life sentence of home imprisonment for many of the extremely clinically vulnerable for whom the vaccine is less effective and have no choice in the matter. I have a dear friend who has had both jabs but clinical trials have shown that both does of the vaccine only produces antibodies in 16% of people with her condition. She’s already not been able to go anywhere other than medical appointments for 16 months and unless coronavirus all but disappears there’s no end in sight for her shielding. People who can have the vaccine should do so, otherwise there’s a population that will allow the virus to keep developing new variants rather than breaking the transmission chain. For your own health too, who wants long COVID?

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auntpollie · 30/05/2021 10:47

@MrsTophamHat

you want to continue to go out in crowded public places and potentially catch Covid whilst heavily pregnant?

I’m not sure I said I want to go out to * crowded public places*

I will be taking lots precaution and being very careful, but that doesn’t mean I will want to stay completely inside my house for the next 6 months.

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MrsTophamHat · 30/05/2021 10:48

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

OP didn’t say she wanted to go to crowded places - she said she didn’t want restrictions on where she could go. Everyone implying she wants to go raving ffs

She said she wanted to go to hospitality, presumably indoors, and close contact personal services which have been some of the earliest and last things to open.

It just does not seem logical to continue to want to go to these places, which have been identified as places where Covid spreads should we be in a situation where the positive cases are rising rapidly again. Surely a risk averse person would remove themselves from that situation without governement guidance being needed.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 30/05/2021 10:49

Have to admit I’m struggling with the reasoning too.

I get why you’d want to avoid the vaccine in pregnancy because of the unknown risk. What I don’t get is why you wouldn’t then want to avoid the risk of getting covid, which carries a known risk to you and your baby, by avoiding public places as much as possible.

Amboseli · 30/05/2021 10:50

OP to answer your question, I very much hope so.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 30/05/2021 10:50

I don’t think a cafe garden for example in term time is a risk- stop making things up to justify the bullying of the OP.