Will the unvaccinated have to “stay at home”

[auntpollie]

I’m pregnant, due November and have decided not to have the vaccine until after baby is born.

I’m starting to worry that there will be rules for what unvaccinated people can or cannot do.

Will it be the case where you have to be vaccinated to eat / drink out, go to the hairdressers or nail salon etc....?

I don’t want to spend my time at home but I’m not comfortable being vaccinated whilst pregnant.

Guessing all these pro restriction people have spent years campaigning against school Places without mmr checks ?

@Booksandtea84

This is confusing. You don't want the vaccine while pregnant cos of the perceived risk. Fine.

But you then worry that the government might ban unvaccinated from certain places.

So in short you are quite happy to take the risk of covid.

I would suggest you read up on risks of covid to pregnant women and unborn babies, esp in 3rd trimester.

@Booksandtea84

Can you show me where there is any guidance that pregnant women should stay at home?
Because this is what the OP was asking.

Pregnancy doesn’t come under the CEV category, which were the only category asked to shield and stay at home.

I’m sure OP is well aware of the risks from Covid, as were the millions of other vulnerable adults, who still chose to leave their houses prior to an approval of any vaccination, and not just the vulnerable.
We’ve all put ourselves at risk from Covid by leaving our house, haven’t we...?

I understand why you're not comfortable being vaccinated now.
Are you comfortable getting COVID, though?

It's fine to want to go places, but there will be a risk for you and for the baby.

Anyway... in your place, I'd keep wearing a good mask and go where the people there are happy to wear too.
Until there's herd immunity even vaccinated people are at some risk.

That is exactly it. - advice which was once deemed safe has then been changed.

Too new to know for sure as a lot of effects do not show themselves very early on.

This is why it is up to the individual to make the choice for themselves without numerous others being horrible towards them.

Some people will have done research whereas others won't have and will have been scared and thought magic cure!

However, vast majority of pregnant women will have searched the most I would say as all anyone whom is pregnant wants is the best for their child especially their health and wellbeing.

It is up to the individual and if someone isn't comfortable with it then their choice should be respected. OP has spoken to her consultant and midwife who have no concerns about her not feeling comfortable with it while pregnant. therefore her choice should be respected regardless.

Exactly why I'm not being vaccinated as I do not want to take something that could potentially cause harm to my child. As OP stated they have been waiting a while and with fertility issues etc no wonder someone doesn't want to risk it as that is how lots feel towards it.

*Really pleased you felt comfortable enough to have it.

We’ve waited a long time to be parents and I don’t feel comfortable with the risk.

Happy to have my vaccine after the birth*

If I found myself unvaccinated and in the third trimester of pregnancy in November 2021 I'd stay at home to protect my own health and that of my child (many,many women have ended up in ITU and Covid is now associated with prematurity) reguardless of what the goverment advised.

Honestly OP given that you have choosen to become pregnant in a pandemic, I'd get vaccinated.

But in answer to your question no I don't think unvaccinated people will face restrictiins in this country (they already do in the States).

Also @Scottishskifun it is far too soon to have the proper evidence to know for sure.

People's decisions should be respected

@Dandylioness1
I don't get what you are asking me. I've not said anything about guidance. It's her own choice not to get the vaccine just as its her own choice to go about if there is a risk of covid.

I would hope we'd follow the science and find a way to balance the need to protect lives while also protecting the economy/individual freedom etc. I would prefer vaccine passports to further Lockdowns but I hope it won't come to that.

@Dandylioness1 is related to workplaces and is still government advice especially for frontline workers who have potential higher exposure risk.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-pregnant-employees/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-pregnant-employees

@Potteringshed

I would prefer vaccine passports to further Lockdowns but I hope it won't come to that.

I hope it won’t come to that either.

It’s pretty ironic that the dynamic of this board has now changed form “keep the vulnerable locked up, let us get on with our lives”

To - “keep the unvaccinated locked up, let us get on with our lives”....

What next, eh!

[quote Scottishskifun]@Dandylioness1 is related to workplaces and is still government advice especially for frontline workers who have potential higher exposure risk.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-pregnant-employees/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-pregnant-employees[/quote]
@Scottishskifun

The OP wasn’t asking about going to work, she was asking about going out of her house to public places, which as far as I’m aware, there has been so special guidance on that for pregnant women.

To - “keep the unvaccinated locked up, let us get on with our lives”

I don't understand this at all. Who would want to catch Covid in pregnancy ? Why wouldn't you protect yourself and your unborn child by "locking yourself up" if rates were high and you were unvaccinated ?
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@Dandylioness1 you asked a pp where it was advised that pregnant women should stay at home 🤷‍♂️ the answer I provided you with states for work purposes after 28 weeks which is govt advice especially for higher risk roles basically should work from home or not be in high exposure positions

@traumatisednoodle

Honestly OP given that you have choosen to become pregnant in a pandemic, I'd get vaccinated

Should I have waited until the pandemic was over?

You literally have no idea what my circumstances are. I’m so grateful to be pregnant, I’m not going to delay that because of a pandemic.

If i have to lock myself away, then so be it, I will.

It’s my birthday is 8 weeks and I would’ve loved to book a meal out with my husband.

That’s really all I have planned and it’s bothering me I may not be able to go if vaccine status becomes a thing.

And for the poster who suggested I want to be able to go out and buy a pram...

Most of what I need I’ve ordered online

I’m not planning on spending my time out of the house shopping, dining out or being careless.
But the idea of not being able to go anywhere because I’m not vaccinated is pretty miserable.

I think having different rules for vaccinated and unvaccinated people is awful (except for international travel).
And I’ve had my first vaccine.

I don’t think “keep the unvaccinated locked up!”. As a vaccinated and not particularly vulnerable person I’m pretty much indifferent to their choices.

But if I were a vulnerable unvaccinated risk-averse person like the OP, I personally would be inclined to stay home if virus rates got much higher.

Scottishskifun come on, think for a minute. We can’t possibly know yet what the long-term effects on babies will be. None of them are old enough so far for many issues to emerge. Many cases of learning disabilities, autism, ADHD etc are not visible until a later age than any child could possibly be now. There’s also not enough time to see trends for numerous physical issues.

I take your point that Covid is risky for a pregnant woman, but that in and of itself doesn’t mean that the vaccine isn’t also risky for the child.

We simply do not know at this point.

So far, from what we can tell at this point there isn’t evidence that it causes harm. And I very much hope that remains the case, and we can very confidently tell pregnant women they’re fine to have it - with robust data to back that assertion up. But we’re very obviously not there yet and couldn’t be if we tried.

It’s all very well telling people to consult research, but you also have to have the nous to read the research in context. I.e. the context that it’s far too early days for seeing how this pans out in all respects for babies who were in utero when their mother was vaccinated.

We’re only just now discovering that taking paracetamol in pregnancy raises the risk of autism, and this is after decades of women being told it was safe to take.

These things take time.

@auntpollie if unvaccinated its about assessing the risk to you and what you are comfortable with.

As said ventilation is the biggest risk factor after close contact so book somewhere for dinner outside.
If your not comfortable with the potential risk of being indoors of potentially catching covid then don't go indoors.

They aren't going to make it mandatory so it becomes a situation of you doing your own risk assessment. If your not comfortable with the risk then don't do it simple really.

If that makes you miserable then sorry but that's your own choice.

I appreciate it’s shit not being able to have the vaccine but you can’t expect everybody else to keep sacrificing their freedoms forever 🤷‍♀️

*Honestly OP given that you have choosen to become pregnant in a pandemic, I'd get vaccinated

Should I have waited until the pandemic was over?*

Maybe waited till you were vaccinated ? If you are due in November then you got pregnant in what March ? April ? you knew the plan was all over 18s by July.

[quote Scottishskifun]@Dandylioness1 you asked a pp where it was advised that pregnant women should stay at home 🤷‍♂️ the answer I provided you with states for work purposes after 28 weeks which is govt advice especially for higher risk roles basically should work from home or not be in high exposure positions[/quote]
@Scottishskifun

The article is referring to pregnancy and the work place, not pregnancy and leaving your house.

The article explains that pregnant women are deemed clinically vulnerable and in some cases CEV.

I’m sure people will know (and will have been advised by their midwifes if they are CEV)

My point I was making was plenty of clinically vulnerable people have been leaving their houses for months, unvaccinated.

It’s hypocritical to make people feel bad to do so now because of their vaccine choices, especially when that choice relates to pregnancy.

@DailyFailstinks

I appreciate it’s shit not being able to have the vaccine but you can’t expect everybody else to keep sacrificing their freedoms forever 🤷‍♀️

@DailyFailstinks

Who exactly have i asked to sacrifice their freedom....

@traumatisednoodle

*Maybe waited till you were vaccinated ? If you are due in November then you got pregnant in what March ? April ? you knew the plan was all over 18s by July.

Vile.

Perhaps I will speak to my fertility consultant and tell him your opinion.

If that makes you miserable then sorry but that's your own choice

Scottishskifun what you and other who post similarly fail to empathise with is that OP and others in similar dilemmas are not blithely making a ‘choice’ as if choosing whether to have steak or fish to dinner. Or the brown shoes or the red ones. They’re being forced into a ‘choice’ they really don’t want to be making, seeing danger on both sides and finding it really worrying to be in the middle of a dilemma they see as risky either way, with an unknown outcome. It’s not a simple as you imply.

Good plan.
What does he say about your refusing the vaccine ?