Will the unvaccinated have to “stay at home”

[auntpollie]

I’m pregnant, due November and have decided not to have the vaccine until after baby is born.

I’m starting to worry that there will be rules for what unvaccinated people can or cannot do.

Will it be the case where you have to be vaccinated to eat / drink out, go to the hairdressers or nail salon etc....?

I don’t want to spend my time at home but I’m not comfortable being vaccinated whilst pregnant.

@auntpollie it was your implication with @SmidgenofaPigeon.

People saying they won’t have different rules for the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Have you seen Germany? For partially or unvaccinated people you have to go to a testing centre and wait 30 minutes for the result before going into a lot of non essential shops, camping sites etc. The fully vaccinated don’t have to do that.

@MrsTophamHat

She said she wanted to go to hospitality, presumably indoors, and close contact personal services which have been some of the earliest and last things to open.

Actually, I didn’t.

I asked if there were likely to be restrictions at such places etc...

I haven’t made any plans to visit anywhere (and as of yet haven’t eaten out since last year)

I’m just interested to learn if restrictions on the unvaccinated could be implemented.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

I don’t think a cafe garden for example in term time is a risk- stop making things up to justify the bullying of the OP.

Neither do I. But the OP didn’t really specify where she was planning on eating out, and she’s due in November. I’m guessing only the most hardy will be eating outside in late autumn if inside places are still open.

@NicknamesAreLikeKleenex

Your theoretical and highly implausible concerns about vaccine permits being required to go to the cafe or go shopping for prams are neither here nor there in terms of what is the best choice for safeguarding your and your prospective child’s health

I wonder if you have the same opinion of people
who will be taking their unvaccinated children into public places.
Are they not safeguarding their children’s health then...?

We’ve waited a long time to be parents and I don’t feel comfortable with the risk.

Which risk? Seriously, you haven't done your homework. Whilst I appreciate your concerns - and I am not even going to start on the risks of just being pregnant - you are not making an informed decision here. You can't be. The risk of the vaccine to you and your baby are statistically insignificant - not no risk at all, but nothing in life has not risk. The risks to you and your baby of Covid are actually far higher - still not likely, but much more dangerous than the vaccine. We know that pregnancy puts women at greater risk of a serious case of Covid. We know that higher levels of stillbirth and prematurity are associated with having caught the virus - even if you have a mild or asymptomatic case.

Therefore, frankly, if your concern is really to minimise the risk to yourself and your child, then you should either have the vaccine or choose self-isolation! Being more concerned that as an unvaccinated person you should be allowed to go out and mix freely in places that you do not need to go to is actually the worst and riskiest choice that you can make!

Children are not particularly vulnerable to Covid, and I was talking from the perspective of an unusually risk-averse pregnant woman, because that’s how you’ve portrayed yourself. My advice, given in good faith is that you personally should balance up the risks and benefits of the vaccine vs Covid vs self-isolation.

So you're not prepared to risk your baby's health with the vaccine, but you are prepared to risk it for Covid.

This is, of course, your decision to make and I have no problem with it, as long as it doesn't mean the rest of us get locked down again to protect you and your choices.

@NicknamesAreLikeKleenex

Children are not particularly vulnerable to Covid, and I was talking from the perspective of an unusually risk-averse pregnant woman, because that’s how you’ve portrayed yourself. My advice, given in good faith is that you personally should balance up the risks and benefits of the vaccine vs Covid vs self-isolation.

@NicknamesAreLikeKleenex

Ah okay, because it seemed like you were questioning my safeguarding of my child.

Happy to have my vaccine after the birth!

As is your right but I don’t think it’s fair to expect the rest of the nation to go back into lockdown to protect you. If another lockdown was the only other option, I would support the idea of vaccine passports.

I very much doubt there will be domestic covid passports. International travel ones, yes.

I fully and completely support vaccine passports if it means that we can get back to normal. It's not my problem some people don't want a vaccine that can support this.

You chose to get pregnant. You have also chosen not to get the vaccine. If you, as an unvaccinated woman, have made all of these decisions, you may have to stay at home whilst the rest of us get on with our live

I don't think that will happen, and even if it does as you're pregnant would you maybe fall under the medically exempt category? I don't know for a fact so don't quote me but that would be my assumption, have you been offered it, I didn't think they were vaccinating pregnant women? If they do, it's your body, your baby and your decision. It sounds to me as if you have your head screwed on as you're saying you're perfectly happy to have your vaccine after your baby is born, and I would feel exactly the same as you in your position

@zafferana

So you're not prepared to risk your baby's health with the vaccine, but you are prepared to risk it for Covid.

This is, of course, your decision to make and I have no problem with it, as long as it doesn't mean the rest of us get locked down again to protect you and your choices.

I’ve had my flu vaccine, I’ll be taking my whooping cough vaccine when offered too.

I don’t smoke, I don’t drink alcohol or caffeine.
I’m a healthy weight, I exercise and eat well.

I’m following all of the pregnancy advice from my midwife and consultant, and after discussing the Covid vaccine with them both, I am happy with my choice not to have it.
I’m really not here to discuss that.

I’m not asking about being restricted so that I can do our partying, or socialising in busy, crowded places.

I’m asking because I’m interested to see if I’m going to be forced to stay at home for the remainder of my pregnancy.

Until the vaccines were approved, we were all leaving our houses unvaccinated, including pregnant women, I saw many.

I get the impression that people here don’t take too kindly to people choosing not to take a vaccine.

I came here for some opinions on restrictions, not opinions on if I’m putting myself or my unborn child at risk.

I doubt it unless all under 16s are going to be banned from everywhere, as they seem to be leaning towards not vaccinating them at all now.

I’m guessing only the most hardy will be eating outside in late autumn if inside places are still open an assumption to fit your argument. Fact is we know slightly more about covid than the affects of the vaccine on foetus’ - hence all the flip flopping guidance on vaccinating pregnant women. Also people seem confused by “safe” vs “no known side effects”

It's pretty bonkers that somebody would spend years trying to get pregnant, presumably knowing what the risk of maternal death is? Even in the UK having a baby is far, far more risky than having a bloody vaccine.

I really have no patience for people who choose not to get vaccinated, pregnant or otherwise.

My understanding is that it’s not a vaccine that crosses the placenta. So I’m not sure in what way it would affect a foetus.

Definitely sounds like the government have done a good job at stirring up resentment towards people who are unvaccinated.

Because of course the vaccine is one hundred percent protection aha....

Plenty of people are actually unable to be vaccinated. No doubt they are included in the bad group that is supposedly holding things back... instead of people actually seeing the bigger picture.

Nothing wrong with a mother doing what she feels is best for her unborn child.

OP I get it I have a friend who is pregnant and after multiple miscarriages feels like she doesn't want to risk things.

She is however being very careful and will only meet outdoors til baby is born.

Ventilation is the biggest risk factor after very close contact with other people in potential for covid. The studies have all shown this.

So if you are going to go into shops then I suggest purchasing FFP2 facemasks which are greatest protection (warm to wear and have to be tight on your face).

As for going to cafes etc choose ones which have good ventilation open windows/sit by windows etc.

Also nobody actually knows the full impact of what it can do to a fetus.

Therefore I completely understand why some don't feel comfortable with it. Particularly someone who has been hoping to conceive for a very long time. I've had major fertility issues so I can see very clearly why and I wouldn't be comfortable either.

Lovely how hostile some are being towards a mother trying to do her best for her baby.

Reality is no people will not be forced for most things such as cafes etc but businesses can have the right not to accept there have been a few posts about accommodation for instance on mumsnet not accepting without vaccination.

@Sunnyfreezesushi

Typical mumsnet - the first post you get OP is really unfair and horrible. I think some people are just waiting to pounce.

I totally understand that the situation is very difficult for pregnant women. You are told that getting the virus yourself can be dangerous in pregnancy, but your instinct is to protect your baby. I suggest speaking to your GP and midwife as many times as you need to.

I had the swine flu vaccine in pregnancy and no problems. But this one, I would be worried too but I think on balance, it might make sense to have it. I think I would be the type to pay for an antibody test first.... Most people have minimal side effects from the Covid vaccines (that does not include me).

How is that horrible? If I was unvaccinated (which I am until next Saturday) I'd much rather stay home and let everyone else live their lives. What's the point in EVERYONE missing out when it's not necessary?

@freeez

It's pretty bonkers that somebody would spend years trying to get pregnant, presumably knowing what the risk of maternal death is? Even in the UK having a baby is far, far more risky than having a bloody vaccine.

I really have no patience for people who choose not to get vaccinated, pregnant or otherwise.

@freeez

I had my flu vaccine at the end of March, I’ll be having my whooping cough vaccine too (whilst pregnant)

Once my baby is born I will be running to get my Covid vaccine.

I have no patience for people that cannot respect that we all have choices and are entitled to make different ones.

[quote FloraFauna27]**@auntpollie* it was your implication with @SmidgenofaPigeon*.

People saying they won’t have different rules for the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Have you seen Germany? For partially or unvaccinated people you have to go to a testing centre and wait 30 minutes for the result before going into a lot of non essential shops, camping sites etc. The fully vaccinated don’t have to do that.[/quote]
That makes no sense. The vaccine isn’t 100% effective

@JMJTHEWEEDONKEY

Also nobody actually knows the full impact of what it can do to a fetus.

Therefore I completely understand why some don't feel comfortable with it. Particularly someone who has been hoping to conceive for a very long time. I've had major fertility issues so I can see very clearly why and I wouldn't be comfortable either.

Lovely how hostile some are being towards a mother trying to do her best for her baby.

Actually not true as the US has real life data of over 90,000 pregnant women as US regulator never said pregnant women couldn't get vaccinated.

It's why the UK advice changed as real life data showed no impact including from the Royal society of midwifery and obstetricians.

Agree its women's choice but please do not scare monger.
There have not been any recorded impacts in the US on births of babies.