Will the unvaccinated have to “stay at home”

[auntpollie]

I’m pregnant, due November and have decided not to have the vaccine until after baby is born.

I’m starting to worry that there will be rules for what unvaccinated people can or cannot do.

Will it be the case where you have to be vaccinated to eat / drink out, go to the hairdressers or nail salon etc....?

I don’t want to spend my time at home but I’m not comfortable being vaccinated whilst pregnant.

I don’t have the luxury of being over cautious or shielding due to my job- but nor do I want to. I may be pregnant but that isn’t going to hold me back in terms of weekends away, seeing friends and family and carrying on as basically normal. So I’ll take a vaccine rather than fret about catching covid. That’s my choice I know.

To the poster that asked are pregnant women being offered- yes- along with the rest of your relevant age-group when called. It wasn’t offered routinely at first, but plenty of ‘front line’ pregnant staff had it, and they’ve vaccinated pregnant women as a matter of course in the US.

If I were in your situation I would take medical advice. The obstetricians and midwives have weighed up the benefits and most of us don't have the knowledge or skills to do that. If I were still anxious o would be vaccinated after the first trimester( I'm not sure what the rules are on this).
I don't think we are going to have rules for people staying in if unvaccinated but I can easily see bars and restaurants etc closed to unvaccinated people. Imo this is very tough on the tiny number of people who can't be vaccinated but totally justifiable on business grounds.

Going by many on this thread they seem to think it is a 100 percent!

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

I’m guessing only the most hardy will be eating outside in late autumn if inside places are still open an assumption to fit your argument. Fact is we know slightly more about covid than the affects of the vaccine on foetus’ - hence all the flip flopping guidance on vaccinating pregnant women. Also people seem confused by “safe” vs “no known side effects”

It's not really much of an assumption. Although the assumption is based on what I've seen here rather than what happens in the rest of the UK.

There's a pedestrianised square near my house which the council have allowed all the (many) pubs and cafes in it to put tables in so they can serve food and drink. The number of people in it is hugely dependent on the temperature and weather.

Wow stop giving op a hard time. There are no long term studies of pregnant women and vaccines . How many young pregnant women died and babies died because of covid? I expect you would be challenged to find 1!

Get some perspective , the majority are fine. Have some empathy, she is worried about her unborn child and doesn’t have the data to back it up. It doesn’t make her an anti vaxxer , demonising people like this is outrageous

My opinion on restrictions alone is that I don’t think government would “mandate” country based vaccine passports but I can see them introducing them as vaccine info is available on nhs app and individual business owners insisting on them for entry. But not until autumn at least. I can see children under x age being exempt and adults having to prove exemption (so hassle to get a GP letter etc). Pregnant women will be an interesting category if medical professionals think the vaccine risk is less than catching actual Covid.

The BBC is running a story stating that the vaccine minister is considering making Covid vaccines compulsory for NHS staff.
Either way what will never happen is that non vaccinated people will be refused essential medical treatment and I can’t see state schools being allowed to ever exclude non vaccinated children either (independent schools, who knows). Will be interesting to watch what the US does first.

@scottishskifun

I'm very well aware of that claim recording the vaccinations on mothers to be in America.

My point still stands.

Nobody knows the full impact of it on a fetus. The full extent, if any, cannot be known as of yet.

Not scaremongering at all.

@nerdygirl sadly not true that its difficult to find cases of pregnant women who have dies from covid. There are several recorded deaths of pregnant women including a nurse who's baby was delivered by c section and thankfully survived but she did not. There was a just giving page set up for her husband and child.

[quote JMJTHEWEEDONKEY]@scottishskifun

I'm very well aware of that claim recording the vaccinations on mothers to be in America.

My point still stands.

Nobody knows the full impact of it on a fetus. The full extent, if any, cannot be known as of yet.

Not scaremongering at all.[/quote]
It's not a claim if its real life data though is it!

Healthy babies born no issues after mothers have been vaccinated 🤷‍♂️

Meanwhile research also showing that a pregnant mother contracting covid is more likely to have a premature or still birth.

I suggest going to do some research the zoe app has many papers available on the subject.

The same as it is very easy to find cases of those who have sadly passed away due to receiving the vaccine.

Including nurses.

@scottishskifun Have the children all magically aged by now? Quite a miracle!

Hence why long term impact cannot be known.

Simply because a baby appears to be well at birth does not mean there are not issues that are still to be picked up on.

Common sense.

No one can answer your question OP, because the govt haven't made a decision about domestic vaccine passports, but so far the mood music doesn't seem to be in favour of them.

I find your caution over the vaccine at odds with your desire to go wherever and do whatever you want. As an unvaccinated person, your no. 1 risk is other people who may be carrying the virus. Since you're being cautious, you might want to rethink your desire to skip freely around indoor spaces full of other potential virus vectors. Pregnant women have died with Covid and you're at risk of breathing difficulties in the later stages of pregnancy, if you catch Covid. So you need to be careful if you're determined to remain unvaccinated.

I'm vaccinated but I hope not. I do not want to live in a country where we have that kind of dictacting behaviour and it's scary how many people on MN would be happy to see it. Ridiculous overreactions on here.

Agree, also my DB can't have it yet as randomly needed serious surgery last month & needs to be stronger. Should he be penalised?

And again @Scottishskifun there is plenty there regarding females who have passed away after receiving the vaccine as previously stated.

I would say that many on this thread would penalise!

The unvaccinated won't be 'excluded' from places, they will be suffering one of the consequences of not being vaccinated.

For whatever reason, some people have CHOSEN not to have the vaccine and therefore those people will have to accept that they might not be able to do what they want to do.

For you OP it's not forever, you might have to miss out for a while but will be able to have the vaccine any time.

I feel very sorry for those who absolutely CAN'T have the vaccine as their quality of life will be impacted.

For those CHOOSING not to, suck it up.

No I don't think unvaccinated people will have to stay at home or that businesses will restrict their customers to vaccinated people only. People are just going to have to accept that some people around them for whatever reason, may not have had the vaccines. You won't know who they are or why.

Urgh this thread. It’s almost bordering on bullying!

What I find so scary is how many people are happy to banish the unvaccinated, like they’re an inconvenience to you and your lives.

I wouldn’t be happy to live in a society that has tiers like that.
It’s like going back in time!

You do realise that more than half of the UK population have now been vaccinated against Covid.

Most years the UK vaccinate circa 1M people with the flu vaccine.
Do you all feel that the unvaccinated of flu should be staying at home too?
Or what about the very many people that choose not to vaccine their children?
Do you asked other parents at school or the play gym if your children are mixing amongst the unvaccinated?

This pandemic has sent people crazy.

OP I had my first baby last year, but for what it’s worth, in your situation I wouldn’t have taken the vaccine either (I’m vaccinated with AZ)

Nor would I have wanted to say at home, and certainly not to please other people.

It’s inhumane to expect someone to stay in their house for the next 6 months.

Do yourself a favour and come off of this thread and this board.
You’d be better of posting In a pregnancy related board than in this one!!

@Aposterhasnoname

What’s unfair and horrible is destroying businesses, livelihoods, and people’s mental health to lock down fully vaccinated people in order to protect those that have refused the vaccine. And yes, I know some people can’t have the vaccine due to their medical conditions, but if we get to the point where lockdown is being considered, they’ll need to shield anyway.

I suffer from severe allergies so have been advised not to have the vaccine until i have seen a specialist allergy team, now waiting for an appointment. I have not had to shield.

@Dandylioness1 well said

This is confusing. You don't want the vaccine while pregnant cos of the perceived risk. Fine.

But you then worry that the government might ban unvaccinated from certain places.

So in short you are quite happy to take the risk of covid.

I would suggest you read up on risks of covid to pregnant women and unborn babies, esp in 3rd trimester.

[quote JMJTHEWEEDONKEY]@scottishskifun Have the children all magically aged by now? Quite a miracle!

Hence why long term impact cannot be known.

Simply because a baby appears to be well at birth does not mean there are not issues that are still to be picked up on.

Common sense.[/quote]
Didn't say they had aged magically but health of babies is being monitored and no issues found. Also no issues in laboratory trials in earlier stages not conducted on people.

The deaths of women have occurred but this was also prior to advice changing with age and also given the number of vaccinations is incredibly low. But also why the advice changed to Pfizer or moderna for younger cohorts.

As said its everyone's choice to have a vaccination or not. But people should do their own research on what is right for them and evaluate the scientific research available! Which all shows greater risk of covid than vaccination BTW.

Btw not saying you should have the vaccine. But i don't see why you wouldn't want to voluntarily shield if the covid situation appears bad enough that government might ban unvaccinated. I pretty much shielded last autumn while in 3rd trimester. Annoying but worth it.

@Carefree1 - it absolutely should prevent people who aren't vaccinated from doing what they want and going where they want.

It's a choice THEY are making, why should everyone else suffer?

Let's not forget that a huge number of unvaccinated are choosing that for some crazy-woo conspiracy reason.

Staying home for a bit whilst pregnant and unvaccinated should be a no-brainer. Going out and about is putting yourself and your unborn child at as much - if not more - risk than having the vaccine whilst pregnant.

You can't have it both ways.

I doubt they will put in these sorts of protections, however do remember there was previously guidance for pregnant women to work from home (if unable to social distance at work) and generally be a bit more cautious in their third trimester (when the risk is at its highest). Hospitals limited additional people attending antenatal appointments, birth partners and visitors. There were already additional precautions in place to protect you as a pregnant person. A lot of these have now been removed (which in my opinion is a good thing).

Personally, as someone who is 29 weeks pregnant, I had previously decided I would not be limiting myself in my third trimester by staying home 24/7 and would meet people inside and outside (as and when rules allowed) as I want to see friends and family before our little one arrives, especially after the last year. I also made sure work would not be restricting me to WFH from 28 weeks, as my mental health would suffer. This was before pregnant women were advised they could take the vaccine. I was worried about speculation of vaccine passports and where you'd be allowed to go / not go, however I would have followed the guidance had it come into place as that would have been safest. Sure I'd have probably moaned about it too, but the guidance would be backed by evidence that this was safer for me / my baby / other unvaccinated people.

I think at the end of the day, you need to weigh up the risks for you, especially if the government isn't going to do it. If transmission / hospital admissions are shown to be higher between unvaccinated people than vaccinated people, would you still be comfortable to meet others in public spaces (indoors or outdoors)? Or going to the supermarket to do the weekly shop? Or commute into work on public transport? You've made your decision not to be vaccinated, but that doesn't eliminate all risk so there may be other parts of your life you need to limit too, whether advised by the government, RCOG etc or not, in order to keep you safe from the virus. And this will be the same for all unvaccinated people, if they want to avoid the virus too.