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Lisa Shaw death possibly connected to the vaccine

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Notagoodtime · 27/05/2021 17:50

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-57267169

This is so very sad

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OliveTree75 · 27/05/2021 17:56

A friend at work knows the family and told me this last week. I hadn't seen anything in news so didn't think much about it. Very sad

XenoBitch · 27/05/2021 17:57

So sad. No doubt there will be people saying it should not be news at it might put people off getting the vaccine.

louisabb · 27/05/2021 18:01

Very very sad

feellikeanalien · 27/05/2021 18:06

That is really sad. I did wonder what it was as they mentioned a short illness.

PrincessTuna · 27/05/2021 18:07

That's awful, poor Lisa and her poor family.

murbblurb · 27/05/2021 18:09

How very sad. I hadn't heard of this lady but with millions being vaccinated, the statistics mean that this outcome is a possibility for someone. 128000 killed by covid in this country alone.

Orf1abc · 27/05/2021 18:12

This is so sad for her family and all those that knew her. I wish they'd be more proactive in asking people who experience severe headaches after the vaccine to report them and to investigate before it's too late. If they did that would help to pinpoint what underlying risk factors there are, and hopefully prevent more deaths.

I'm not in any way blaming those that have become unwell, quite the opposite. Side effects are being played down and minimised, and I'd rather a hundred people have investigations and be fine, than one more person die because they felt they were overreacting in seeking help.

EnidSpyton · 27/05/2021 18:44

As time goes on, more and more cases of severe side effects are being reported. I know more people who have been severely ill after the vaccine than I do people who have even had coronavirus in the first place.

I'm not an 'anti-vaxxer', but I am very concerned by the heavy-handed, biased approach taken by the government when it comes to essentially forcing this vaccine on the entire adult population. The message is constantly to insist that it is safe, that is has been well tested, that we all need to do this to ensure we're 'doing our bit' etc - and in the process, reports of severe side effects are being brushed under the carpet or their significance downplayed to ensure maximum uptake. However, the yellow card scheme used to report side effects is very underused. We do not have an accurate picture of the severity or scale of side effects, and so we as a population are not really being given an informed choice, despite being told we are.

I don't believe these blood clots are as rare as they're making them out to be.
I also don't believe this vaccine is as safe as they claim it to be.

Covid is not deadly for the vast majority of people who catch it. Why then should we essentially be coerced (because we are being coerced, by the constant messaging, and the belittling, sneering attitude of others who consider anyone who is unsure about the vaccine to be a nutjob conspiracy theorist) into taking a vaccine to protect us from a disease that for most of us poses little to no real threat? It suits the government to roll the vaccine out like this because it makes financial sense to do so. But what will the longterm effects of these untested vaccines be? And how many people will die of the side effects? We simply don't know. The data doesn't exist. It's erroneous to keep insisting the vaccines are safe, because we don't definitively know that's true. For some people, as with Lisa Shaw, the vaccine is deadly. A needless life lost to a disease that wouldn't have killed her in the first place. We need to be talking more about this, and we need to have more nuance to the vaccine conversation. It's not as cut and dried as people are making out. I'm 35. I'm slim, fit and healthy. My chances of dying of coronavirus are miniscule. There's over a year's worth of data to back that up. What are my chances of dying of the vaccine? I have no idea. There's no equivalent data to help me weigh up my options here. So why should I take the risk? At the moment, I feel like I can't even ask that question without being told I'm a hysterical conspiracy theorist. To me, though, that's a common sense question. But such is the cult of the vaccine that any questioning of its safety is tantamount to treason. And that is very troubling.

SuziQuatrosFatNan · 27/05/2021 18:53

@EnidSpyton I agree with a lot of what you say. In particular none of the vaccines were specifically tested for effects on women, and it does seem that women are experiencing a range of adverse effects, much more so than men.

Here in the UK we don't have a lot of choice really because everything else we've done we've fucked up plus we have a pretty poor healthcare system. It's not a good position to be in.

charliebear78 · 27/05/2021 18:53

I was very ill after I had my Covid Vaccine and I am very reluctant to get my 2nd.
It took me nearly a week to feel myself again and even now(3 weeks later) I am still suffering with heavy legs and breathlessness when I walk upstairs.
I did ring my GP in the first week when I had to stop halfway up the hill on my walk home-They simply said they had no spaces free to see me.
I felt fine before the Vaccine and worst now-It is that simple

FromEden · 27/05/2021 19:00

I don't believe these blood clots are as rare as they're making them out to be.
I also don't believe this vaccine is as safe as they claim it to be.

It's not just AZ either. Pfizer and Moderna are also associated with blood clots and other severe side effects. I can see this being the next scandal on a par with the opioid crisis over the coming years, where the pharma companies were fully aware of the dangers but put making money over people's safety

HSHorror · 27/05/2021 19:00

They should have stopped using it on the 40s.

Because is the risk not double what they say as you are not allowed a different second dose

LazyHorizon · 27/05/2021 19:02

There was a news story a few weeks ago which more or less eyerolled at people going to get side effects checked out. It said A&E departments were packed with people with “minor side effects”. I thought at the time this would put people off getting worrying effects checked out, because people don’t like to make a fuss. Or to be seen to be wimps about medical stuff. Whoever put that NHS press release out really shouldn’t have.

NearlyAlwaysInsane · 27/05/2021 19:04

@FromEden

*I don't believe these blood clots are as rare as they're making them out to be. I also don't believe this vaccine is as safe as they claim it to be.*

It's not just AZ either. Pfizer and Moderna are also associated with blood clots and other severe side effects. I can see this being the next scandal on a par with the opioid crisis over the coming years, where the pharma companies were fully aware of the dangers but put making money over people's safety

It isn't just companies though. Vaccines need to be approved by authorities, too. In this crisis in particular, it seems like a lot of the precautions that may have been used with other similar products in a non-crisis situation were perhaps lessened or done away with. The disclaimer here is I really don't know - I don't work in vaccine development! But I do know that many vaccines take years of testing before they are let loose on the general population.
WilsonMilson · 27/05/2021 19:04

@EnidSpyton I entirely agree with you, and thank God to read a well reasoned and argued post. It has become a very hostile environment to dare to raise a question against the vaccines on this site, and in the wider world generally.

We are becoming vilified as ‘selfish’ by making a choice not to have it, or worse being labelled a conspiracy loon. All because we are concerned that we are putting out health more at risk from this vaccine than the risk of contracting covid and its effects.

The truth is that we simply do not have any long term data on the vaccine outcomes and there is a statistically greater relative risk, if you are under 30 and healthy from having the vaccine than there is from covid.
On that note, it beggars belief that we want to jab children, but that’s whole other topic.

OliveTree75 · 27/05/2021 19:05

@EnidSpyton i agree with lots of your points too. My covid vaccine floored me at the weekend and i was also covered in a rash.i was so mildly unwell with covid 3 months ago. Thinking might not go ahead with 2nd.i also think these side effects are more common than let on

Chillychangchoo · 27/05/2021 19:10

It’s concerning. My 41 year old friend had a lung blood clot a week after her second AZ vaccine. She has survived thankfully. I’m 32, read extensively on this now (although I’m no scientist) and I shall not be having my second AZ vaccine. I have no risk factors for covid, but I feel very uncomfortable about this vaccine now.

MercyBooth · 27/05/2021 19:11

@charliebear78 My biggest fear is not the adverse reaction but the being dismissed afterwards and left to get on with it as you have experienced. So much for the community rhetoric. If they want to cause resentment towards the NHS they are going the right way about it.

FromEden · 27/05/2021 19:14

On that note, it beggars belief that we want to jab children, but that’s whole other topic.

Exactly. It's scary.Here in the US , the vaccines are allowed only because of an emergency use authorization. Given that children are at extremely low risk from covid, I don't believe it meets the criteria for emergency use. The risks of giving this vaccine to children will outweigh the benefits. Maybe it should be used in children with health conditions that put them at risk, but in healthy children? Absolutely not. I will not give this to my child when she is literally more at risk from the flu (and that's a fact, according to the CDC)

MercyBooth · 27/05/2021 19:14

@SuziQuatrosFatNan

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SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 27/05/2021 19:16

it seems like a lot of the precautions that may have been used with other similar products in a non-crisis situation were perhaps lessened or done away with. The disclaimer here is I really don't know - I don't work in vaccine development! But I do know that many vaccines take years of testing before they are let loose on the general population.

This is absolutely not the case and it’s so frustrating to see it repeated over and over. The longest part of producing a vaccine is usually the funding. The steps and funding were accelerated. It is no less tested than any other vaccine in recent history, and no precautions were missed.

Comments like yours can seriously scare people.

SuziQuatrosFatNan · 27/05/2021 19:29

Isn't there a third stage that was missed though?

@MercyBooth I'm going to have to read this: it's been recommended a few times now. It's would probably deepen my menopausal rage however.

Like a pp, three weeks post vaccine I myself am still not back to normal. I getting out of breath at the slightest thing and I'm knackered all the time. I had a headache for two weeks plus an initial heart rate and blood pressure spike that put me in hospital overnight for monitoring. I don't feel the same as I did before getting it. But I know that at 50 I'm likely to take covid hard. With the combination of useless government, fairly useless health service plus the fact that the only answer to covid is one that doesn't have any data on my particular body type ie female, I feel pretty screwed.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 27/05/2021 19:42

I believe the NHS press release about A&E was correcting a piece of advice that had been given a few days previously which had inadvertently left departments swamped as everybody with a headache after having the AZ jab turned up in A&E. It’s much easier for doctors to find the needle in the haystack if the haystack isn’t quite so big and the criteria for attending or being referred to A&E are not quite so wide.

NearlyAlwaysInsane · 27/05/2021 19:44

@SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo

it seems like a lot of the precautions that may have been used with other similar products in a non-crisis situation were perhaps lessened or done away with. The disclaimer here is I really don't know - I don't work in vaccine development! But I do know that many vaccines take years of testing before they are let loose on the general population.

This is absolutely not the case and it’s so frustrating to see it repeated over and over. The longest part of producing a vaccine is usually the funding. The steps and funding were accelerated. It is no less tested than any other vaccine in recent history, and no precautions were missed.

Comments like yours can seriously scare people.

You're right, because we must never, ever, question the official narrative or ask about whether safety procedures are being followed, right? I think if you read my comment you can see that it was not intended to scare people.

And if funding is really the issue, post some evidence/a link which shows these timelines.

Because Johns Hopkins does state preclinical trials can take 1-10 years for vaccine development, and in an accelerated situation, phase 3 long-term testing can take up to 2 years. That is, before it is rolled out to the general population.

coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline

SuziQuatrosFatNan · 27/05/2021 19:45

... or if there is somewhere to go other than a&e. Good luck getting a GP appointment for a headache.

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