Does anyone else think we may end up with yet another lockdown

[Lemonwoe]

I really hope not; the last few were quite hideous. But I can’t help feeling that we are going to end up with another lockdown before the end of term (Scotland: so before 1st July) just hoping that the vaccination program is completed really soon

Nicola Sturgeon will keep shutting everything down for as long as WM will pay for it.

@RedcurrantPuff

Nicola Sturgeon will keep shutting everything down for as long as WM will pay for it.

I do think the drivers are different in this respect.

Eg if you have earn to pay you might make different lockdown choices

@picturesandpickles

I hope not, because lockdowns are a sign that you have failed to control this thorugh public health measures.

I understand entirely about the economic fears and the awfulness of lockdown itself, but is there a chance we mght be asked to do it again? Yes, I think there is a chance.

Since the government have consistently failed to control covid through public health measures...

And since both the border controls/quarantine and the test trace and isolate system are still a farce...

And since the government seem to be ignoring SAGE, Indie SAGE, and the public health teams on the ground...

And since they are pushing ahead with the opening up and encouraging people back to work in office blocks...

@PrincessNutNuts

Yes I agree there is a chance the gambling will again see a bad outcome

I think that there is a high chance people will become lockdown fatigued and a 4th will have a huge lack of compliance.

However if we locked down they can close businesses etc again so there would be limited contact but I doubt many will go back to not seeing friends and family - and the huggers to not hugging!

Yes. In autumn.

If they keep closing businesses for the FOURTH time they had better not come it with the benefit scrounger rhetoric however much time passes.

They have already had a hat trick of compliance from me with three lockdowns They wont be getting a fourth.

Possibly in Autumn. Sad

If there is another lockdown the responsibility for that should lay at Johnson’s door. I hope poeple will finally realise they need to stop voting for this dangerous idiot.

And if the vaccine works, why should those who’ve had two vaccines, lock down again?

No because either the vaccine works or it doesn't. If they lockdown a vaccinated population then what was the point in it?

Indoor hospitality has been open in Scotland for weeks without a spike. Fingers crossed for England

I agree @MarshaBradyo

WM have basically paid for her to be able to lock businesses down and for her vaccine programme but yet some people still think she’s amazing and WM are the monsters

@LizzieSiddal

And if the vaccine works, why should those who’ve had two vaccines, lock down again?

Oh but for those of us under 40 who have been going out to work throughout and still are not vaccinated , we should be locked down ?

FFS , it’s not our fault that we are playing a waiting game for our vaccines , young working population hit again

In food retail so not important enough to be priority for vaccine and under 40 so not old enough for vaccines

But yeah we will keep going to work amongst crowds , while in another lockdown ...

Not ...

Omni calculator showing mid June for even our first vaccines ...

@Arrowheart

No because either the vaccine works or it doesn't. If they lockdown a vaccinated population then what was the point in it?

That's such a logic fail I can't even count the false assumptions you'd have to be operating under.

Binary thinking - vaccines work or they don’t work.

Assuming that vaccines work 100% effectively in 100% of people - which leads to the belief that vaccinated people are safe now - which leads to bafflement at the possibility that large numbers of people could still be admitted to hospital and/or die.

Assuming that anyone who wasn't vaccinated with "the vulnerable" is not vulnerable to covid.

Assuming that things are different (better) because we have vaccines now, and not considering how a variant can make things different (worse).

Conferring the benefits of a vaccination programme that has fully vaccinated 100% of the population onto one that has fully vaccinated 29% and so far left 45% completely unvaccinated.

@LizzieSiddal

And if the vaccine works, why should those who’ve had two vaccines, lock down again?

Or one vaccine and they intend getting the second?

Super apologies I wasn’t clear enough.
I meant that I would not be prepared to go into lockdown once every adult in the UK has been offered a vaccine.

Binary thinking - vaccines work or they don’t work.

And yet flu is more fatal to a wider age range than Covid (please note phrasing) and the vaccine is less efficacious.

No one has satisfactorily explained why they expecting this huge surge in young people in hospital because of the Indian variant.

(Yes we know it's a numbers game and a percentages game.)

@HesterShaw1

Binary thinking - vaccines work or they don’t work.

And yet flu is more fatal to a wider age range than Covid (please note phrasing) and the vaccine is less efficacious.

No one has satisfactorily explained why they expecting this huge surge in young people in hospital because of the Indian variant.

(Yes we know it's a numbers game and a percentages game.)

My understanding is they do not expect a 'surge in young people in hospital' - they expect a surge in cases primarily amongst the young, which then leads to large numbers of people in hospital of a range of ages. The cases in hospital will be made up of fully vaccinated, partially vaccinated and unvaccinated.

It is basically a numbers game - if we have high cases, we will have hospitalisations.

Sorry - you already said it is a numbers game!

@LizzieSiddal

Super apologies I wasn’t clear enough. I meant that I would not be prepared to go into lockdown once every adult in the UK has been offered a vaccine.

Thanks It’s just such a touchy subject when we are only two years under the criteria at the moment and still out working away

People seem to forget that even in total 100% lockdown that food retail stay open and we never had priority for any jabs

Most healthcare workers have now had 2 jabs as they should.

Yes I agree that we shouldn’t need another national lockdown and also that I hate lockdowns totally but sadly Scotland seems a bit behind in vaccines

I saw Matt Hancock inviting English age 36 from tomorrow
We still don’t seem to be hitting under 40 at all up here
Loads of us up here not vaccinated.

I do hope you get your vaccine soon, Super.

You and other key workers really should have been a priority once over 50s had been done. Thank you for all you have done during this pandemic.

Thank you @LizzieSiddal

@HesterShaw1

Binary thinking - vaccines work or they don’t work.

And yet flu is more fatal to a wider age range than Covid (please note phrasing) and the vaccine is less efficacious.

No one has satisfactorily explained why they expecting this huge surge in young people in hospital because of the Indian variant.

(Yes we know it's a numbers game and a percentages game.)

People get overly focused on deaths.

A large peak of hospital admissions from people of all ages and vaccine statuses is the expectation from this wave.

Unless we stop it.

In the last wave men aged between 40 and 50 were the third largest group in ICU.

Most people haven't had covid because they haven't come into contact with it for long enough.

With a more transmissible variant the virus gets to so many more people and potentially needs less contact to infect them.

But it's mostly maths.

If you've got - say - a million people under 50 that can be made extremely seriously ill by covid, this variant of covid is going to get to them much more efficiently than the original covid which wasn't very good at infecting humans.

B117 was better at infecting humans.

B1617.2 is better still.