Does anyone else think we may end up with yet another lockdown

[Lemonwoe]

I really hope not; the last few were quite hideous. But I can’t help feeling that we are going to end up with another lockdown before the end of term (Scotland: so before 1st July) just hoping that the vaccination program is completed really soon

Local lockdowns didn't work at all before Christmas. What has changed that makes you think they'd work now? The Indian variant is already in circulation in numerous areas of the UK. It won't be contained to specific areas -- experts anticipate that it will soon become the dominant strain.

@Whatshouldicallme

Local lockdowns didn't work at all before Christmas. What has changed that makes you think they'd work now? The Indian variant is already in circulation in numerous areas of the UK. It won't be contained to specific areas -- experts anticipate that it will soon become the dominant strain.

But they did work, just imposed later than they should have been and schools should have been closed. Better than nothing but Johnson learned nothing.

It's amazing how the most Draconian restrictions are now seen as the norm and some people actually demand them. If the vaccines aren't enough now, locking down is pointless as where does it end?

@Movisoul

It's amazing how the most Draconian restrictions are now seen as the norm and some people actually demand them. If the vaccines aren't enough now, locking down is pointless as where does it end?

I believe some people think we need to lock down until we have cured death.

@Movisoul

It's amazing how the most Draconian restrictions are now seen as the norm and some people actually demand them. If the vaccines aren't enough now, locking down is pointless as where does it end?

Yes some people seem to see lockdowns as the default measure instead of a last resort.

@TableFlowerss

Yeah because folk think they’re above getting the vaccine and want to exercise their autonomy 🥱

That’s their right, but sadly it will impact on everyone else as things won’t go back to normal until the vast majority of people have been vaccinated.

If the uptake isn’t high enough, even if the death rate is still low, I think we’ll continue to have lockdowns....... sigh

We’re already going back to normal without everyone having been vaccinated. Previous infection also confers immunity (many studies have now shown this to be 8* months) Hospitalisations and deaths are way down. The lockdowns were to prevent the hospitals being overwhelmed in the absence of a vaccine. Now that the majority of people who are most likely to end up in hospital are vaccinated, there should not need to be more lockdowns. Early reports are showing that vaccines protect against the Indian variant too.

@Movisoul

It's amazing how the most Draconian restrictions are now seen as the norm and some people actually demand them. If the vaccines aren't enough now, locking down is pointless as where does it end?

Agree.

A word we never used before is now tossed around with gay abandon.

I will never get over how many people have clamoured for their freedoms to be removed.

**I think the Government would use this to enforce vaccine passports, and make things difficult for those who have chosen not to be vaccinated.

And no, thats not a good thing**

I wouldn’t have said it was a good thing either, but I think if numbers keep rising and it’s because not enough people are getting vaccinated and they decide to postpone opening up etc.... I’d be all for vaccine passports.

I didn’t particularly want to get the vaccine as I never colds/flu, bmi is 22 and I’m 40 so I’d bet a billion if o got covid, I’d have a few sniffles at the most.

The vaccine credibly isn’t to protect me, I had it because I want things to open up and I’m worried they won’t if not enough people have it.

So if it’s the choice of another lockdown or vaccine passport then I hope they bring in the password because the rest of us shouldn’t have to suffer....

certainly

passport 🤣

Nope and no idea why anyone would think that. Our numbers are great and not increasing, hospitalisations are not increasing and those are the things that cause lockdowns.

All the vaccinations will keep those numbers down too

I am a pro lockdown person but honestly don't see there being a need to do it again. Vaccinations are the one thing this government got right.

We won’t. Not even in autumn. Because by then all adults will have had both vaccinations and if for whatever reason they don’t work and hospitalisations rise then we need a new strategy don’t we? Because lockdown was never going to be a long term plan or strategy.

We’re already going back to normal without everyone having been vaccinated. Previous infection also confers immunity (many studies have now shown this to be 8 months) Hospitalisations and deaths are way down. The lockdowns were to prevent the hospitals being overwhelmed in the absence of a vaccine. Now that the majority of people who are most likely to end up in hospital are vaccinated, there should not need to be more lockdowns. Early reports are showing that vaccines protect against the Indian variant too*

I sincerely hope you’re right!! It seem however that any covid death is a death too much....

@Ninefeettall

If there is another wave (I don't know if there will be) and if it leads to significant hospitalisations (I don't know if it will)... there's one thing I do know for certain...

Boris won't lock down until weeks after he's advised to and it's really too late and many lives have been lost.

So with that in mind, I'd say that there's a chance things could get worse and worse all summer but be held off by the fact the weather is nicer, and then autumn could hit like a ton of bricks. Hopefully not, but that's my feeling.

I agree with every word you've said there @Ninefeettall

Lockdowns do seem to be the default expectation for many people. Once the vast majority have had the vaccine and therefore most do not die or get seriously ill, what are we trying to achieve?
If we're trying to prevent anyone getting covid ever then I don't support that.

@boobot1

I don't see how there can be. Those who were vulnerable are vaccinated. The healthy young are extremely unlikely to need hospital treatment even if they catch it. The few exceptions will not overwhelm the NHS, it's scaremongering, again.

Apart from the fact that it won’t be a ‘few’ exceptions. If Covid runs rampant among the unvaccinated, the too young to be vaccinated and the ones where the vaccine didn’t take then that’s an awful lot of people in hospital even with the chance of hospitalisation being small for the young . 1% of the population with Covid, yes the numbers are small. 40%? The numbers are huge.

I dont think we will lockdown again but I do think there will be restrictions over Autumn and Winter

@MrsIsobelCrawley

The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) has said that relaxations tomorrow "lead to a substantial resurgence of hospitalisations (similar to, or larger than, previous peaks)" as the Indian variant is 50% more transmissible than the current Kent variant.

Not useful since they got all other predictions wrong !

Close call due to 3 things

People with no comprehension of risk, % and maths "doing their own risk assessment " both of social distancing and vaccines. That's gone so well in Bolton so far....

Mostly the people not understanding We. Have.Not.Vaccinated.Enough.People.Yet. as demonstrated above, again maths not being their strong point
The new variant impact thrown in with the above, not yet fully assessed

@MarshaBradyo people are obsessed with autumn winter lockdowns. I’m not sure if they don’t understand that:

The more time that passes the more people will have been vaccinated making it less likely or that they don’t realise that the lockdowns so far have followed a pattern of restriction loosing / new variants taking off and first time Covid hit us - not seasons

Or they just prefer summer

[quote bmbm]@MarshaBradyo people are obsessed with autumn winter lockdowns. I’m not sure if they don’t understand that:

The more time that passes the more people will have been vaccinated making it less likely or that they don’t realise that the lockdowns so far have followed a pattern of restriction loosing / new variants taking off and first time Covid hit us - not seasons

Or they just prefer summer[/quote]
I don't think lockdown. I just think some restrictions may rear their heads if cases go back up. Hopefully not. I just can't see anything changing now until then thats all

Apart from the fact that it won’t be a ‘few’ exceptions. If Covid runs rampant among the unvaccinated, the too young to be vaccinated and the ones where the vaccine didn’t take then that’s an awful lot of people in hospital even with the chance of hospitalisation being small for the young . 1% of the population with Covid, yes the numbers are small. 40%? The numbers are huge.

I read that 90% of hospital admission where in the "most vulnerable" groups (the over 65s and those with serious underlying conditions).

Pressed send too soon.
So I don't think we'd expect to see a massive surge in hospital admissions again even if we had another wave.

Yes, if the Indian Variant isn't brought under control.

Yup ..in Scotland we are definetiy going back into lockdown

Glasgow and moray still heavily restricted tier 3 and east Renfrewshire is about to join them in the next few weeks

Once that happens the rest of the central belt will follow

I reckon some of us will get 6 weeks tops of indoor socialising and travel before Nicola sturgeon puts us all back to no mixing no travelling pubs shut ..or at least no alcohol ..

I really hope and pray I'm wrong..but I do honestly think this is what she's thinking