Does anyone else think we may end up with yet another lockdown

[Lemonwoe]

I really hope not; the last few were quite hideous. But I can’t help feeling that we are going to end up with another lockdown before the end of term (Scotland: so before 1st July) just hoping that the vaccination program is completed really soon

Why are people twisting and misquoting sage and government advise? At no stage did anyone say it was fifty percent more transmissable. In fact what was actually said was it was more likely to be marginally more transmissable. Modelling is done on a variety of scenarios. Inc worst case. There was no “it is” or “it will”

It’s very odd to want to try to twist it so it looks bad.

@BelleBlueBell

Every bloomin poster on here who asks this question about 3 times a day it seems can't wait for another lockdown. It's getting very groundhog day on this topic.

What in the world makes you think ANYONE wants continuous lockdowns. I've been accused of scaremongering and lockdown loving on these boards since February 2020 for highlighting the concerns of scientists and the reality of the situation around COVID. Maybe it makes you personally feel better to live in a state of denial, but I don't think that's particularly useful for most. I prefer to be able to mentally and logistically prepare for reality. I don't like or want lockdowns, but they are reality once the virus spreads to a certain level. You not wanting that accept that doesn't make it untrue.

MN posters Feb 2020: It's pathetic how much you love drama, stop scaremongering this is the UK of course we will never go into a lockdown.

MN posters Sept 2020: Of course we won't go into another lockdown, we've protected the NHS and flattened the curve, we need to carry on living! The numbers are low now, why are you talking about a second lockdown, you must LOOOVE lockdowns!! That's the only reason you'd be talking about another one now!

MN posters May 2021: Enough now, I'm so tired of all you people talking about a third lockdown! Why do you love lockdown?!

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Unfortunately what we want doesn't matter, the virus doesn't care what we want and if it threatens to overwhelm the NHS restrictions will be introduced like it or not.

We don’t know what will happen going forward.
What we do know is that today restrictions are eased (in England).
So enjoy anything and everything you can while you can.

Did we get bored of the Brazilian variant and the South African variant?

Numbers of hospitalisations and deaths are coming down continuously and in some areas can't come down any further. There are currently no Covid patients at all in the largest hospital in Edinburgh.

So no. We will not lock down, why would we.

No, provided the vaccine take-up is high enough. With a more transmissible variant a bigger proportion of people need to be vaccinated in order to achieve "herd immunity". So it depends on what the next group of people elligible for vaccination decide to do really.

We may have one in the autumn/winter but I wouldn't have thought one would happen this summer. I'm not a scientist though so what the hell do I know.

Sadly I think come the 15th June or whatever the next announcement is they’ll start back tracking. At this point they’ll take a step back, which then cancels the step from today.

Media hysteria has already ramped back up....this’ll gain momentum over the coming weeks, by which time more Sage and Alternative Sage will be presenting graphs which have lines going off the top, then Whitty and Vallance will come out with another prediction of 50,000 dead per day or whatever they came out with last time and the Government will be forced to take action - most likely on the promise that vaccine number 3 is due September as a top up.

I don't see how there can be. Those who were vulnerable are vaccinated. The healthy young are extremely unlikely to need hospital treatment even if they catch it. The few exceptions will not overwhelm the NHS, it's scaremongering, again.

Why do people think Autumn?

By then we’ll be vaccinated with first round. There may be a booster true, but that’s a better position to be in isn’t it

Yes.

Yes, absolutely.

I think we are being prepared for a delay in the next stage. Or even a tightening of restrictions.

NO. They've said that the vaccine appears to be effective against the new variant. This is not about people not getting the virus, it's about people not using up NHS resources for it. younger unvaccinated people didn't clog up the NHS before, they're not going to start to now and the roll out is down to the 35+ age group plus anyone in some of the affected areas. A lockdown seems highly unlikely and unecessary

Yet another scaremongering post. 🙄

The whole point of lockdown was to stop the NHS becoming overwhelmed. Where is the evidence that that will happen again?

A few months ago I would have said we will never go into lockdown again-now it appears they are warming us up for one doesn’t it. I rekon September, just as the kids are going back to school- this time though we will be using the key worker space so it won’t make a difference to the kids, they will still get to learn AND interact/play with other kids.

No. Just a few more deaths for the sake of the economy. Never in my long life have I been so anti-Tory.

I think this new variant is being over egged to get vaccine uptake ramped up, probably compulsory vaccines for care staff coming next

The next new variant will rock up in the autumn, just as they need to get boosters rolled out and will probably start vaccinating under 18s by then.

I’m not sure we will have another lockdown but they want to keep the fear levels high and make us think they might if we don’t do as we are told.

I think schools could close in affected areas. Either through planning or necessity.

No children are vaccinated the Indian variant will rip straight through them. It's clear from idea that were there is a high viral load circulating enclosed environments the vaccine doesn't seem to be as effective.

It might not lead to widescale lockdown if hospitalisations dont increase in the main vaccinated population and/or children are as resistant to serious illness as we think. of course we wont know about hospitalisations until 3 weeks after the indian variant properly hits an area and long covid until much later....

Therefore I wouldn't want to be a teacher or school child in an effected area. It's a massive experiment on those individuals. I'm glad I can and I am still homeschooling my two kids.

@QualityRoads

No, provided the vaccine take-up is high enough. With a more transmissible variant a bigger proportion of people need to be vaccinated in order to achieve "herd immunity". So it depends on what the next group of people elligible for vaccination decide to do really.

What makes you think that the take-up isn’t high enough yet given the low numbers of people in hospital/fatalities?

What makes you think that the take-up isn’t high enough yet given the low numbers of people in hospital/fatalities?

The Indian variant has so far only hit communities were vaccine take up is low. We dont really know if that is due to exposure or the vaccine. It's only as the Indian variant appears at all in areas where vaccine uptake is high will we start to know.

In india there are cases of double vaccinated individuals having serious illness. But they are also in high risk occupations where viral load in the environment will be high.

Of course as more treatments come online the situation should improve as well

No. The vaccine prevents serious illness. So hopefully the hospitals will be fine and there will be no need for lockdown.

We are awaiting the result of our GDs Covid test. She and her siblings and father cannot go to school today. As we are their care bubble, we spent last night making a list of all the appointments and arrangements we will have to cancel if we have to self isolate for ten days. This has made us realise how fragile the new freedom is. Of course there will be more lockdowns but probably only regional.

@Hazelnutlatteplease

What makes you think that the take-up isn’t high enough yet given the low numbers of people in hospital/fatalities?

The Indian variant has so far only hit communities were vaccine take up is low. We dont really know if that is due to exposure or the vaccine. It's only as the Indian variant appears at all in areas where vaccine uptake is high will we start to know.

In india there are cases of double vaccinated individuals having serious illness. But they are also in high risk occupations where viral load in the environment will be high.

Of course as more treatments come online the situation should improve as well

My area has a very high vaccine uptake, and currently low cases. However 30% of those cases are the Indian variant at the moment. So far our hospitalisations and deaths are still 0 for the last week. I'm going to be keeping a close eye on it over the coming weeks to see if this changes as the Indian variant spreads.

@RedcurrantPuff

I think this new variant is being over egged to get vaccine uptake ramped up, probably compulsory vaccines for care staff coming next

The next new variant will rock up in the autumn, just as they need to get boosters rolled out and will probably start vaccinating under 18s by then.

I’m not sure we will have another lockdown but they want to keep the fear levels high and make us think they might if we don’t do as we are told.

I think it’s exactly this. The more relaxed the government act now the less likely they will get people who have chosen not to have the vaccine to change their mind at this last hurdle. They want to get the uptake higher before June 21st. Plus, it encourages everyone to tow the line in these last few weeks and not go too crazy now that the restrictions have relaxed today. I’m still feeling optimistic about things.

Honestly,, some restrictions will have to continue. Some areas these may need to be reasonably tight.

The answer is the vaccine.

I am not doing any further lockdowns on a personal level, that is why I had the vaccine.