Does anyone else think we may end up with yet another lockdown

[Lemonwoe]

I really hope not; the last few were quite hideous. But I can’t help feeling that we are going to end up with another lockdown before the end of term (Scotland: so before 1st July) just hoping that the vaccination program is completed really soon

I’m loving how the Scots are blaming Nicola Sturgeon as if she has a hotline to the covid virus and discusses future lockdowns with it and they laugh maniacally at the high jinx they cause in unison…

Back in the real world , it may become necessary to extend restrictions again and yes maybe even lockdown. Someone asked what is the alternative? Well the slow eradication of humanity perhaps?

It seems all vaccines are less effective among those who have suppressed immune systems, most of whom were offered AZ, which appears to be the lesser effective vaccine against covid in the UKdespite two doses (the Seychelles cases seem to highlight this alongside the lowered efficacy of the Chinese vaccine whose name evades me) I’m guessing that by responses within the thread it’s ok if people are hospitalised and die as long as they’re only vulnerable or old? I mean who really cares about the sick, disabled and elderly as long as you can have a Prosecco and primark day?

Lockdown is to stop the NHS from being overwhelmed, not to stop people from dying.

Yep. And I'm done in. I need a holiday this year but probably the restrictions will kick in again as schools finish ... I don't know if I can do it again

@PeriMisabastard

I’m loving how the Scots are blaming Nicola Sturgeon as if she has a hotline to the covid virus and discusses future lockdowns with it and they laugh maniacally at the high jinx they cause in unison…

Back in the real world , it may become necessary to extend restrictions again and yes maybe even lockdown. Someone asked what is the alternative? Well the slow eradication of humanity perhaps?

It seems all vaccines are less effective among those who have suppressed immune systems, most of whom were offered AZ, which appears to be the lesser effective vaccine against covid in the UKdespite two doses (the Seychelles cases seem to highlight this alongside the lowered efficacy of the Chinese vaccine whose name evades me) I’m guessing that by responses within the thread it’s ok if people are hospitalised and die as long as they’re only vulnerable or old? I mean who really cares about the sick, disabled and elderly as long as you can have a Prosecco and primark day?

It’s a bit more than Prosecco and Primark day. Is your income unaffected by stalling or lockdown? Others definitely isn’t. Plus jobs for now and school leavers / graduates coming through.

Posters might think lockdown is the be all but at least think about the harms they cause.

Btw for Seychelles how many in hospital had AZ v Sinopharm? That would be useful to know

I hope that any "third wave" is small and 'cases only', so that there isn't a lockdown.

I am concerned that there might be one which is larger and not 'cases only', and peaking fast towards the end of July but then be made worse by faffing about and stalling for a fortnight waiting for all the English schools to break up naturally for August.

Well the slow eradication of humanity perhaps

Oh do behave.

Damn that Nicola Sturgeon trying to keep people alive and not overwhelm an already understaffed NHS. Selfish bitch.

I mean who really cares about the sick, disabled and elderly as long as you can have a Prosecco and primark day?

Damn those pesky hospitality, entertainment and retail staff trying to make a living. How selfish of them 🙄

@siestalady

If we have another lockdown though - what is the end goal of that? People tolerated the last one because the vaccines were in touching distance. A lockdown now/soon is essentially saying that the vaccines are not sufficient to keep covid enough at bay. So then what is the end goal? are we just supposed to stay locked down?! If the variants can evade it that quickly then whatever adjusted vaccines are developed will all eventually get evaded.

People are sick and tired of lockdowns, I will personally really struggle to comply with any future lockdowns. I'd far rather take my chances.

Well said

@MarshaBradyo

"Posters might think lockdown is the be all but at least think about the harms they cause."

Of course people think about the harms they cause, who has not been negatively affected in some way by lockdown?

Unfortunately we don't have the option to continue as usual once COVID runs rampant, as the NHS (and other services) become overwhelmed and the damage of "carrying on" eventually becomes worse than lockdown.

Keeping some restrictions in place early on to avoid lockdown seems to me to be the most logical solution, as this seems better than what happened last summer when we pretended for a few months that COVID just no long existed but maybe it's just those pesky SAGE scientists scaremongering again hey. It always go so well when we ignore their warnings, so why stop now?

[quote Whatshouldicallme]@MarshaBradyo

"Posters might think lockdown is the be all but at least think about the harms they cause."

Of course people think about the harms they cause, who has not been negatively affected in some way by lockdown?

Unfortunately we don't have the option to continue as usual once COVID runs rampant, as the NHS (and other services) become overwhelmed and the damage of "carrying on" eventually becomes worse than lockdown.

Keeping some restrictions in place early on to avoid lockdown seems to me to be the most logical solution, as this seems better than what happened last summer when we pretended for a few months that COVID just no long existed but maybe it's just those pesky SAGE scientists scaremongering again hey. It always go so well when we ignore their warnings, so why stop now? [/quote]
I don’t think people who go on about Prosecco and Primark do actually. But anything to sound above things on here.

We don’t know yet what the outcome will be but the vaccination programme is a big variable change.

Keeping some restrictions in place early on to avoid lockdown seems to me to be the most logical solution, as this seems better than what happened last summer when we pretended for a few months that COVID just no long existed

Can I ask where you were living last summer?

It can't have been Britain because loads of restrictions were still in place and people weren't allowed to forget for a second that Covid existed.

Unfortunately we don't have the option to continue as usual once COVID runs rampant, as the NHS (and other services) become overwhelmed and the damage of "carrying on" eventually becomes worse than lockdown.

Covid's not going to 'run rampant' though is it? Most adults have been vaccinated and that number increases every day.

They can try, but with each lockdown the compliance will be less and less I think

If we have another lockdown though - what is the end goal of that? People tolerated the last one because the vaccines were in touching distance. A lockdown now/soon is essentially saying that the vaccines are not sufficient to keep covid enough at bay. So then what is the end goal?

This is key for me. Lockdown in the face of something we didn’t understand. Ok. Lockdown to buy time for the vaccines, sure. After that though, what? Humans won’t keep up this highly unnatural and damaging way of life for much longer.

but with each lockdown the compliance will be less and less I think

And this too. The costs rise with each lockdown and the benefits become smaller and smaller. Diminishing returns.

The money is running out. Really not sure they can afford more lockdowns unless we want to end up like the Weimar Republic in the 20s.

Most people haven't had covid because they haven't been near covid.

With a more transmissible variant vastly more people are near covid.

So if someone is in the 45% of the country that hasn't had any vaccine,

Or if they are one of the 25% of the country that's only had one dose

It if they are in the 30% of the country that has had both doses but they haven't worked very well,

Or if the vaccines don't work to 100% efficacy in in100% of people. (They don't.)

Then just the mere fact that as B1627.2 spreads and achieves dominance we are all much more likely to be near covid than we were with OG covid or B117 covid will create the wave of hospital admissions.

A lot of people make the mistake of factoring in the difference vaccines make without factoring in the difference a more transmissible variant makes.

Glad I never sent my son back to school.

@Needanewhat

Glad I never sent my son back to school.

Really?

So relieved we’ve had a good (half) term here, after hearing many times we probably wouldn’t.

You all need to get out in the real world & enjoy life. Good grief. Mumsnet v the real world is like a parallel universe. I had the happiest couple hours in softplay this morning, kids having a ball, parents mingling, chatting.. the sound of laughter & fun. Then for lunch, the garden centre cafe was heaving with old people & parents with young kids. Again, everyone looked so happy & relaxed.

You come on here & people are shaking in their boots, hiding at home. Bizarre.

Also in Scotland and think it'll head that way, at least for the central belt.

I just hope that whatever they do they prioritise keeping schools and nurseries open.

@PeriMisabastard

I’m loving how the Scots are blaming Nicola Sturgeon as if she has a hotline to the covid virus and discusses future lockdowns with it and they laugh maniacally at the high jinx they cause in unison…

Back in the real world , it may become necessary to extend restrictions again and yes maybe even lockdown. Someone asked what is the alternative? Well the slow eradication of humanity perhaps?

It seems all vaccines are less effective among those who have suppressed immune systems, most of whom were offered AZ, which appears to be the lesser effective vaccine against covid in the UKdespite two doses (the Seychelles cases seem to highlight this alongside the lowered efficacy of the Chinese vaccine whose name evades me) I’m guessing that by responses within the thread it’s ok if people are hospitalised and die as long as they’re only vulnerable or old? I mean who really cares about the sick, disabled and elderly as long as you can have a Prosecco and primark day?

I’m loving how people will just willingly accept being fucked over by NS whereas if this was BJ they’d be up in arms.

@NotBot

You all need to get out in the real world & enjoy life. Good grief. Mumsnet v the real world is like a parallel universe. I had the happiest couple hours in softplay this morning, kids having a ball, parents mingling, chatting.. the sound of laughter & fun. Then for lunch, the garden centre cafe was heaving with old people & parents with young kids. Again, everyone looked so happy & relaxed.

You come on here & people are shaking in their boots, hiding at home. Bizarre.

Government have done a proper number on some folk ...

And no one is saying it’s OK if people are hospitalised or die but that as long is it is doesn’t overwhelm the NHS it doesn’t justify everyone else being locked up.

And as for “the slow eradication of humanity”, seriously, get a grip. Humanity has survived much worse diseases than bloody Covid.