To anyone who turned their jab down.... (anti-vac/Astra haters)

Mindymomo · 16/05/2021 10:31

Well said and well done. Like you I feel really pleased to know that vaccines are working well with variants. I too have had my first and my second is due in 3 weeks.

CrunchyCarrot · 16/05/2021 10:45

All right I'll bite. I declined my jab (and would decline again) due to health reasons. I am feeling fine, despite all the fear-mongering re the Indian variant, when we simply don't have all the facts yet.

I had Covid last year. I have antibodies to it. I saw it off asymptomatically. I have the same immunity as someone who had the jab.

but it can "spread like wildfire" among those who HAVEN’T HAD A JAB, Matt Hancock has told Sky News.”

He should have more accurately said that it can spread faster than the current dominant variant amongst those who don't have immunity.

PicsInRed · 16/05/2021 10:51

It really isn't helpful to demonize and alienate pro-vaxxers who simply want the vaccine choice they've been warned is medically safer for them is the pro-vax movement (of which I was a happy member) now eating itself?.

Authorities cannot spend months telling younger women that AZ could in some cases kill or disable them, only then do an about face and suddenly insist those same women immediately line up for it.

I'll have Pfizer, with many thanks.

Nerdygirl · 16/05/2021 10:53

Viruses mutate , this is just another one . Where is the data showing it’s in unvaccinated?

TheGoodEnoughWife · 16/05/2021 10:55

It isn't all nonsense is it?

The recommendation now is for under 40s to have a vaccine other than AZ. Because the benefits do not out weigh the risks?

People should be allowed without bullying to make their own choices about their own bodies.

Personally I have had both jabs (AZ) but I am fat and 48 so I would be more at risk of Covid. However I stand by anyone making choices for themselves.

OnTheBrink1 · 16/05/2021 10:58

@Vickles20

From Sky News (Matt Hancock):-

“There is a "high degree of confidence" that vaccines protect against the Indian variant of COVID-19 - but it can "spread like wildfire" among those who HAVEN’T HAD A JAB, Matt Hancock has told Sky News.”

I spent a lot of time on here when I was due to have my first jab and after it. And I was blown away at the amount of anti-vac nonsense and I nearly fell for it to! You nearly got me!!! But, I went and had it and boy, I’m so glad I did.

So to those who’s role in life it is to spread anti-vac nonsense to us. How are you feeling now? Now that the Indian variant is here, all over our country. And you actually chose to skip/delay for another vaccine or totally decided against it. I’m generally interested. As I’m feeling safe in the knowledge that I’m protected. And safe that I listened to medical advice instead of anti-vac nonsense from Mumsnetters, who interestingly were first time posters with their anti-vac propaganda posts.

Oh dear OP. You have well and truly drunk the Kool Aid. A project fear sponge

Maze76 · 16/05/2021 11:04

I have a brain aneurism so I have been advised to have the Pfizer jab, which I shall do. I also had Covid in December, so I also have the anti- bodies. I have decided that I shall continue to live life with caution until vaccination. But I refuse to put myself at risk by taking Astra Zen. Personal choice.

Alexapissoff · 16/05/2021 11:07

Oh dear OP. You have well and truly drunk the Kool Aid. A project fear sponge

I don’t think that vitriol either way is a good thing.

And I say that as someone who had declined any of the vaccines, as is my choice and one that I wouldn’t force on anyone.

It’s tragic how this has divided everyone.

Plus, Matt Hancock had to say what he said, it would never have been any other way (not dismissing it arguing here), they want as many people to take up the vaccines.

Alexapissoff · 16/05/2021 11:10

It’s not my role in in life to spread any sentiment to anyone by the way - and I’ve seen very, very little of that on this forum from anyone who discusses not having the vaccine.

I’ve never called anyone stupid, wished harm on them, told them I wouldn’t feel any pity of they had any ill effects from having the vaccine. But I’ve seen plenty of that the other way round.

SummerHouse · 16/05/2021 11:11

I am grateful it's personal choice. I don't agree with anyone telling anyone else they should, or should not have the vaccine.

Scaremongering is scaremongering and the words "spread like wildfire" are a fine example.

I have had the astra jab and second appointment booked.

picturesandpickles · 16/05/2021 11:15

I really don't think this tone is helpful.

I sense you have a need to feel superior to other people but spreading division and being hostile is just not going to help anything.

Many people are wary of vaccines, we are so fortunate in the UK to have high vaccine take up, but being hostile like this makes me very unhappy.

namechangingforthis19586 · 16/05/2021 11:18

Scaremongering is scaremongering

No it isn't. It's a made up word used to describe problems by people who would rather not hear them.

It's quite offensive to diminish what is happening in India. A bit I'm alright Jack. And short sighted as we're absolutely not alright.

TheAlphaandtheOmega · 16/05/2021 11:20

How do you know they were first time posters, they could have been here years.

Souther · 16/05/2021 11:23

I've had my vaccine but feel this is quite a goady post.

Also I dont buy all the fear the government is spreading. They just dont want us to go back to normal, they are enjoying all their control too much. If most of the country is vaccinated now they should let us get back to normal ASAP.

Not making more excuses

Alexapissoff · 16/05/2021 11:24

@TheAlphaandtheOmega

How do you know they were first time posters, they could have been here years.

Quite.

I might have looked like a first time poster three weeks ago but I re joined after needing to change my sign up email. I’ve left and rejoined quite a few times but I’ve been MN since 2005.

InTheNightWeWillWish · 16/05/2021 11:25

I haven’t been called for the vaccine yet but I’m pregnant and so the decision as to whether or not I vaccinate is a bigger decision that it was 12 weeks ago. Before I knew I was pregnant, if I’d been called I’d have happily taken any vaccine and even taken my chances with AZ. I wasn’t pissed off when they said under 30s could have an alternative but everyone else still had to have AZ (I’m 31). I’m pregnant and so yes, I am more cautious about what is in the vaccine. When I get called up I may decline the vaccine, I may not. That is my choice to make and does not make me an anti-vaxxer. Up until this point, I’ve had every vaccine I’ve ever been offered and paid for the flu vaccine several times.

If I decline the vaccine, I will continue to keep myself safe. I’m working from home and live in an area that has seen very low cases throughout. I haven’t seen my family for 15 months, I will not be travelling to see them as they live in a high risk area. I last saw a friend in August. I will continue to limit my interactions with people. But I’ll probably do that regardless of whether I’m vaccinated or not.

I’m not big on telling other people what they should or shouldn’t do with their bodies, so maybe that’s the difference in our approaches.

Suranjeep · 16/05/2021 11:27

To be fair there was always going to be a time when the Government would ramp up their messaging with stuff like this over the vaccine. Especially as they got to lower ages. They have previous over masks (you’re killing others etc)

partyatthepalace · 16/05/2021 11:29

I agree.

However when I posted some similar but more forceful feeling, a PP pointed out to me that it probably wasn’t a helpful way to talk to anti-vaxers/conspiracy theorists/or the anxious - and she was right.

I think a gentle drip drip of sensible information and sharing positive vaccine experience is the way to go. I share your frustration, but in the end people have to make up their own minds - I think the Indian variant will send a lot more people rushing to have it. And in the longer term the inconvenience of not having a vaccine will persuade all but the hard core.

Delighted you’ve had it.

AlohaMolly · 16/05/2021 11:31

I haven’t decided either way about the vaccine yet. I’m 33, without underlying health conditions, although I am overweight. I do not -

take the annual flu vaccine
take hormonal contraception
fly
take prescription medication
drink more than once or twice a year
smoke or vape
take recreational drugs
drink fizzy drinks like coke, Fanta etc
take over the counter painkillers unless I’m basically about to pass out.

I do eat processed foods and too much sugar, but as a general rule I’m careful about what I put in my body and don’t really want to put something in that is under trial still until 2023.

It helps that I live in an area that has never had over 30 new cases of covid a day throughout the entire pandemic, and it has generally been 20 or under. I work in a small office so rarely see anyone.

DS has had all of his vaccinations and I am not anti vax in the slightest. I don’t believe I should put something in my body just because the government say so, and I lean towards not trusting our government at all. Let’s not forget that we were told AZ was ‘safe’ (in the same way that all regular medicines are safe with the understanding that nothing is 100%) but now it’s not safe enough for some people. Last time I checked, Pfizer was touted as ‘safe’ and then turned out if you had an allergy requiring an epi pen, it wasn’t, but that could have changed.

Ultimately, I’m annoyed that the U.K. government has handled the whole thing so badly that fast tracked vaccination is the only way out. I’m not saying fast tracked = badly done, but it’s definitely fast tracked.

When I get called for the vaccine, I will make a decision, and if I decide not to, it won’t be a hard no forever, but I am allowed to decide what I put into my body and why.

DumplingsAndStew · 16/05/2021 11:34

Is that Matt Hancock, your Health Secretary, admitting that this strain is going to "spread like wildfire" within the mostly unvaccinated school community? Interesting, I thought they were still insisting that schools are safe.

DareIask · 16/05/2021 11:37

Frankly it pisses me off that the whole lockdown easing has been put in doubt because a new variant is spreading through those who have chosen not to be vaccinated. It's been said all along it would reduce spread even if your personal risk is low

Now we have valuable resources being sent to persuade/give it to those who declined/couldn't be arsed/ thought they knew better

You don't know better.

For those who demand a choice... have a choice. But your choice to mix with sensible society should be severely curtailed.

PetraRabbit · 16/05/2021 11:38

I'm glad you feel protected. It's great there's a vaccine, albeit still only under emergency authorisation, for the old and vulnerable and the anxious.

I think you are being a little hysterical. I contributed to a recent thread about not having the new vaccines and every single contributor from the "no" side was calm, rational, in favour of the established vaccines for polio, tetatus etc, supported your right to get vaccinated. They (we) just had doubts based on either government flip-flopping on vaccines, lack of scientific consensus, the lack of long term data, people we knew personally who had died or been hospitalised from the vaccine.

How am I feeling now about the Indian variant? Well, just very cynical. Our government knew it was out there but didn't shut borders. I don't know why but it seems to be a financial or profit led decision, like so many decisions have been around Covid. I would rather see "my" vaccine go to a vulnerable old person in India or another country where the vulnerable still haven't had vaccines. My immune system can fight it, theirs maybe can't.

The old and vulnerable here have been vaccinated. I want my life back as promised but not holding my breath.

Ostara212 · 16/05/2021 11:41

astra haters?

If you're young, you're asked to have a different one.

AlohaMolly · 16/05/2021 11:42

@PetraRabbit I read on a thread on here that we wanted a trade deal with India and we didn’t want to upset them by making them a red country. That’s paraphrased, obviously.

Suranjeep · 16/05/2021 11:43

@DareIask

Frankly it pisses me off that the whole lockdown easing has been put in doubt because a new variant is spreading through those who have chosen not to be vaccinated. It's been said all along it would reduce spread even if your personal risk is low

Now we have valuable resources being sent to persuade/give it to those who declined/couldn't be arsed/ thought they knew better

You don't know better.

For those who demand a choice... have a choice. But your choice to mix with sensible society should be severely curtailed.

Hang on...most of those groups haven’t been offered the vaccine yet or their groups have only just been eligible.