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To anyone who turned their jab down.... (anti-vac/Astra haters)

190 replies

Vickles20 · 16/05/2021 10:05

From Sky News (Matt Hancock):-

“There is a "high degree of confidence" that vaccines protect against the Indian variant of COVID-19 - but it can "spread like wildfire" among those who HAVEN’T HAD A JAB, Matt Hancock has told Sky News.”

I spent a lot of time on here when I was due to have my first jab and after it. And I was blown away at the amount of anti-vac nonsense and I nearly fell for it to! You nearly got me!!! But, I went and had it and boy, I’m so glad I did.

So to those who’s role in life it is to spread anti-vac nonsense to us. How are you feeling now? Now that the Indian variant is here, all over our country. And you actually chose to skip/delay for another vaccine or totally decided against it. I’m generally interested. As I’m feeling safe in the knowledge that I’m protected. And safe that I listened to medical advice instead of anti-vac nonsense from Mumsnetters, who interestingly were first time posters with their anti-vac propaganda posts.

OP posts:
MarshaBradyo · 16/05/2021 13:06

It seems this personal responsibility message starting to filter through is to say no we won’t all take the hit if some refuse.

It’ll never be mandatory so I prefer this approach. If someone decides to risk it then that’s individually taken

lightattheendofthetunnel2021 · 16/05/2021 13:09

@MarshaBradyo

It seems this personal responsibility message starting to filter through is to say no we won’t all take the hit if some refuse.

It’ll never be mandatory so I prefer this approach. If someone decides to risk it then that’s individually taken

That's not quite true. It's in fact slightly selfish to not take the vaccine (unless the doctors have said you're at particular risk for vaccine complications - not many fall into this camp) as you can't say you take the risk individually. The reason they want everyone who can to take the jab is because it stops transmission to a very high degree. It's for the collective good.
NearlyAlwaysInsane · 16/05/2021 13:09

@motogogo Yes I know about body autonomy but I would like to see anyone over 38 who hasn't been vaccinated or got an appointment temporarily banned from May 17 relaxations - your choice. We could keep to the 21st June if we pull together

Oh dear. It really seems that you don't know about bodily autonomy, then, doesn't it?

And with your wanting 'undesirables' banned and with restricted freedoms, please by all means resign your citizenship of whatever country you are a citizen of, and go and apply to Pyongyang. See how you like the sort of society you seem to be advocating.

NailsNeedDoing · 16/05/2021 13:11

Ive had my vaccine only because I managed to find out how I could get a Pfizer one, but as I’m only just over 40 I would have refused the Astra Zeneca one. I’m feeling fine now thanks, and even with the Indian variant, I would have been happy to continue to refuse the Astra Zeneca vaccine and take my chances with the virus instead.

MarshaBradyo · 16/05/2021 13:11

Light yes there is some of that you’re right

The trouble is it never convinces those who choose not to imo

I have had the AZ and can see my benefit personally and to others. Trying to convince someone on these threads who can’t see either is a waste of energy.

So all I can hope is that people opting out remains low, and we don’t feel the hit from further intervention due to it.

savethegrannies · 16/05/2021 13:13

Mumsnet needs a big, fuck-off YAWN emoji for posts like this

Lostinacloud · 16/05/2021 13:15

Imho the government have done such a good job of frightening everyone that uptake will continue to be high in all remaining age groups.

Alexapissoff · 16/05/2021 13:15

@motogogo Yes I know about body autonomy but I would like to see anyone over 38 who hasn't been vaccinated or got an appointment temporarily banned from May 17 relaxations - your choice. We could keep to the 21st June if we pull together

Dear God. Do people ever read back what they’ve typed and feel embarrassed?

Like the people who say it will be great to have vaccine passports to shun the unvaccinated from (Asda) society?

Let everyone who catches covid and needs treatment who didn’t want the vaccine die with no treatment because they were asking for it.

Because seriously, this level of thinking makes me worry.

(“No because I’m not selfish/I want everyone to be protected/the level of thinking of not having the vaccine makes me worry” I can imagine the answers already, but come on ).

savethegrannies · 16/05/2021 13:17

I wish people would stop talking about the collective good.
We are not ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, we never have been and never will be.

savethegrannies · 16/05/2021 13:19

Yes I know about body autonomy but I would like to see anyone over 38 who hasn't been vaccinated or got an appointment temporarily banned from May 17 relaxations - your choice.
So actually, NO, you don't know about body autonomy.

CausingChaos2 · 16/05/2021 13:21

Goady posts like your OP make me even more disinclined to get vaccinated 🤷‍♀️

reformedcharacters · 16/05/2021 13:24

This.

Not been offered it yet but after reading threads like this on MN I’m inclined to say no when it is.

Username198 · 16/05/2021 13:28

Yep not been offered it yet but the more I feel pressured into having it the less inclined I am to ft it. Also reading they might reverse the decision not to give AZ to people in their 30s and I’m definitely not having that one.

cronk23 · 16/05/2021 13:45

I've declined my jab for now. I'm 39 with no underlying health conditions but can't have AZ now but next month I turn 40 and apparently it's safe. What is magically going to happen on my birthday I don't know so I'd rather wait until they have more information about the side effects before I make my decision. The whole pandemic has only been happening for just over a year so for me it's not long enough to study any long term effects plus they keep moving the goalposts, first no AZ for under 30s now it's under 40s so who's to say it won't change again in a few weeks time? I'm not saying I'll never have it but not just yet, I know statistically chances of getting a clot are extremely rare but tell that to the people who have died or lost loved ones because of it. If it's acceptable to still be in lockdown when the death toll is extremely low then it's acceptable to be weary of the vaccine even though the death toll is quite low for that also.

JasmineandIsaiah · 16/05/2021 13:57

Well considering around 3 million people have died worldwide from Covid (mostly with co-morbidities) and over 87 million people worldwide have recovered from Covid....I think I'll keep taking my chances and continue to decline the vaccine trials, until at least 2023. I mean it's only a matter of time before AZ is stopped completely due to safety reasons and look at how many people that have already had that vaccine!

Sparrowcrane · 16/05/2021 14:16

Read this article and have a little think for yourself www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/scots-vaccinated-against-covid-in-20604338.amp

Lucidas · 16/05/2021 14:51

@MarshaBradyo

It seems this personal responsibility message starting to filter through is to say no we won’t all take the hit if some refuse.

It’ll never be mandatory so I prefer this approach. If someone decides to risk it then that’s individually taken

But if we have to tighten restrictions because of at risk populations not taking the jab and ending up in hospital, that’s affecting all of us. And there’s evidence of this happening (the majority of those hospitalized in Bolton were offered the jab but didn’t take it).
roguetomato · 16/05/2021 14:54

[quote Sparrowcrane]Read this article and have a little think for yourself www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/scots-vaccinated-against-covid-in-20604338.amp[/quote]
6 vaccinated people in hospital with Indian variant, out of how many people hospitalised? It doesn't seem to state.

Sparrowcrane · 16/05/2021 15:12

Roguetomato- let's not compare apples and pears ! 6 vaccinated people out of total infections with the new variant which totalled just over 1,300 cases in the UK!!!What's a real concern to me is that those 6 people had been vaccinated with a 95% vaccine and yet they are in hospital with a relatively few cases of the Indian variant in this country.

Lucidas · 16/05/2021 15:15

@Sparrowcrane

Roguetomato- let's not compare apples and pears ! 6 vaccinated people out of total infections with the new variant which totalled just over 1,300 cases in the UK!!!What's a real concern to me is that those 6 people had been vaccinated with a 95% vaccine and yet they are in hospital with a relatively few cases of the Indian variant in this country.
*the majority were partially vaccinated (one dose) - aka go get your second vaccines people

*the vaccine are not very effective in the immunocompromised, those who have had organ transplants etc. All the more reason to encourage higher uptake across society

MissConductUS · 16/05/2021 15:28

I had Covid last year. I have antibodies to it. I saw it off asymptomatically. I have the same immunity as someone who had the jab.

Actually, you don't.

Antibody levels induced by mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are much higher than those induced by natural infection and confer cross-reactivity that could be effective against new variants, a new study from the University of California, Irvine, found.

In the US the current guidance is for everyone to get the vaccine, even if they've had a confirmed case of covid previously.

Gothichouse40 · 16/05/2021 15:33

Let people make up their own minds. Their choice, they weigh up the risk for themselves. Ive had my first vaccination, due to get second one soon.

Roonerspismed · 16/05/2021 15:36

Mmmm I think the government is doing a marvellous job of keeping the fear going to persuade us middle aged people to take the AZ vaccine

It is working well. I know several friends who have decided to get the AZ this week due to the government’s latest messaging. Good for them. I would never try to persuade anyone either way. But it remains a no from me for now as I don’t really have much faith in the reporting of side effects

I’m like a PP. I don’t smoke, drink, take the pill and never have, I don’t take Paracetomol or NSAIDs, I don’t take drugs. So mocking me with “you are more at risk from your contraception” amuses me

Sparrowcrane · 16/05/2021 15:36

Lucidas- just get the so called vaccine, take additional risks despite the treatment being clearly ineffective from the new variant? At least one out of six in that hospital are fully vaccinated, but shouldn't even one dose already provide some protection to them? Absurd!

Covywovy · 16/05/2021 15:43

I'm not having this vaccine but anybody else wants it that's fine.

My only gripe is this: very, very few people are getting this jab out of the goodness of their hearts. They're doing out of fear of getting sick, going on holiday, and a whole host of other selfish reasons.

And nothing wrong with that!!

You see THAT'S what bothers me: the holier than thou attitude.

Unless you are terrified of the side effects but doing it anyway to protect others you are no more moral than me.

It's easy to be holier than thou when something costs you nothing.