To anyone who turned their jab down.... (anti-vac/Astra haters)

[Vickles20]

From Sky News (Matt Hancock):-

“There is a "high degree of confidence" that vaccines protect against the Indian variant of COVID-19 - but it can "spread like wildfire" among those who HAVEN’T HAD A JAB, Matt Hancock has told Sky News.”

I spent a lot of time on here when I was due to have my first jab and after it. And I was blown away at the amount of anti-vac nonsense and I nearly fell for it to! You nearly got me!!! But, I went and had it and boy, I’m so glad I did.

So to those who’s role in life it is to spread anti-vac nonsense to us. How are you feeling now? Now that the Indian variant is here, all over our country. And you actually chose to skip/delay for another vaccine or totally decided against it. I’m generally interested. As I’m feeling safe in the knowledge that I’m protected. And safe that I listened to medical advice instead of anti-vac nonsense from Mumsnetters, who interestingly were first time posters with their anti-vac propaganda posts.

Second hand smoke? Alcohol fuelled violence?

Not much chance of that affecting my 103 year old grandmother.

Nor is she likely to come across either shopping for food, or on the bus etc

@BluebellsGreenbells she hasn’t been on the buses I have then

Sadly the way the country is currently run means that a whole bunch of arrogant, misinformed, self-centred idiots can ruin it for the rest of us

Bloody democracy, eh? Those upstarts who think they get to choose their own medical treatment. Those selfish arrogant people who won't do what I think they should do. I know what....let them wait for that ring at the door to be held down and injected- much better idea.

By the way, the vast majority of this country are so terrified of Covid that with enough of a media campaign they'd line up to have their little fingers cut off if it reduced cases. There are actually not very many of us "selfish" out there.

If we are in the business of punishment, sorry accountability, why don't we deny hospital treatment to anyone with serious vaccine side effects too? My friend chose to get a vaccine that hospitalised her so surely she deserves a bit of a kicking too for draining the NHS. .....how have we come to this way of thinking being the "virtuous" one?

@PetraRabbit I think you’re on to something. If we don’t treat any illnesses caused by lifestyle just think how much money the NHS will save

If we weren’t so generous treating everyone’s ailments the NHS would have plenty of capacity to treat covid.

Just saying.

@FlyLight

But if the people's she's mixing with are vaccinated then they are protected no?

You can still contract Covid even with the vaccination. A slim risk but it's there. Plus, the Indian variant is much more transmissible.

@bookworm1632
Personally I think that anyone who refuses the vaccine should be refused hospital treatment should they fall ill with the virus, including long-covid clinics.

Then those individuals will be entitled to tax breaks or tax refunds.

You can’t expect people to pay for the NHS but then deny them service.

It has to be people's choice if they have the vaccine or not. I just don't really understand why they wouldn't. No vaccine is 100% so if you're not vaccinated and seeing elderly relatives, even if they're vaccinated you're a higher risk to them then if you were both vaccinated.

I also find the whole 'rushed through' argument I've read on here totally bizarre. 699,000,000 people in the world have had their first dose, 355,000,000 have had both over the last 6 months - how many people do you need to be vaccinated before you don't feel it's been rushed? What exactly would they need to do to make you feel it hasn't been rushed? You're never going to know all the possible long term effects unless you only have jabs that have been around for 80 years or something - and even then no one could say it was down to this or that. I read a man who designed vaccines say that he was never entirely at ease with them until 30 million had been injected, then he could relax - we must be way past that for the all the vaccines being given now.

Surely this isn't helpful.

You do realise that the more people are hectored, nagged, bullied and insulted, the less likely you are to persuade them to do something?

I am choosing to believe that some of the comments above are only being made to wind people up. If not I am truly scared for the future of our world.

I have had my first AZ jab but only because I have a DD with SN. It made me feel like shit for about 10 days and I am dreading the second one.

Although the pandemic has brought out the good in a lot of people it has also shown that a substantial minority have no empathy and really do not care about others.

That said, however, I predict that we will shortly be told the Indian variant evades those who’ve only had one dose and also appears to affect younger people more than the disease did previously - how convenient! Watch and see...

There probably will be more cases in younger people as far less have been vaccinated, no conspiracy. The key is whether hospitalizations and deaths rise, hopefully doubtful.

[quote Username198]@PetraRabbit I think you’re on to something. If we don’t treat any illnesses caused by lifestyle just think how much money the NHS will save[/quote]
Slightly awkward enforcing that surely?

Where does this end? Someone who takes care of their health by eating well and keeping fit doesn't get the treatment they need when they injure themselves?

Or should treatment be reserved only for people who stay home, stay safe?

You sound fanatical OP.
I’d calm down and respect people’s freedom of choice.
They may have perfectly valid reasons for declining the jab.

@HesterShaw1 Exactly that was my point, an earlier poster had suggested not treating anyone who didn’t have the vaccine so my point was where do you stop.

@reformedcharacters

If we weren’t so generous treating everyone’s ailments the NHS would have plenty of capacity to treat covid.

Just saying.

So change it to a National Covid Service and forget every

...else

[quote Username198]@HesterShaw1 Exactly that was my point, an earlier poster had suggested not treating anyone who didn’t have the vaccine so my point was where do you stop.[/quote]
Sorry

I went off on one.

This panic over the latest variant is conveniently timed - yes/no?

Just as everything is being unlocked and the government needs to be seen to be sticking to its plan but is also silently shitting itself.

You fell for it OP.

@HesterShaw1 No worries, sarcasm doesn’t always translate in text 😀

Matt Hancock has said many things that turned out to be wrong. Why would I give his opinion any weight?

@reformedcharacters

If we weren’t so generous treating everyone’s ailments the NHS would have plenty of capacity to treat covid.

Just saying.

Ethically, this is a dangerous route to take. And surely goes against everything the NHS stands for... and presumably isn’t in the spirit of the Hippocratic oath??

Wherediditgo

Of course this isn’t the right thing to do. Said sarcastically in response to those asserting that people who choose not to take the vaccine should be denied treatment.

@reformedcharacters

Wherediditgo

Of course this isn’t the right thing to do. Said sarcastically in response to those asserting that people who choose not to take the vaccine should be denied treatment.

Ooops - sorry! You see all sorts on MN these days so I wasn’t sure

I'm 39 and have had all the vaccines offered to me over the years, however I'm not getting the covid one.

I'm pregnant and am not prepared to experiment on my unborn child. As far as I'm concerned it's wholly unethical.

None of the vaccines have been around long enough for there to be studies on the long term effects. Whilst I might be prepared to risk it for myself I'm not prepared to make that decision for my child.

Pfizer are running a study on pregnant women and their babies, the results are due in summer 2022. It feels like any pregnant woman who takes the vaccine before that will be part of that trial. I'm not prepared for my baby to be an experiment.

Matt Hancock is a smarmy lying little twat, who is desperate to get us all to have the jab to line his own pockets and is wetting his pants over the fact that an enlightened few have seen through his absolute scaremongering bullshit.