Page 4 | To anyone who turned their jab down.... (anti-vac/Astra haters)

HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 16/05/2021 16:16

I'm still feeling confident with my decision thank you.

MarshaBradyo · 16/05/2021 16:19

But if we have to tighten restrictions because of at risk populations not taking the jab and ending up in hospital, that’s affecting all of us. And there’s evidence of this happening (the majority of those hospitalized in Bolton were offered the jab but didn’t take it).

Lucidas Yes that’s the part I’d like to avoid. But, imo Monday is going ahead and the move is to focus on vaccinating that area rather than slowing us down because we can handle those in hospital who didn’t take up vaccine.

Hopefully that’s the way it goes, as we carry on. You may get a few who risk assess incorrectly but don’t slow everyone down.

Ninefeettall · 16/05/2021 16:24

What a petty, spiteful OP. I feel sorry for you.

I’ve cancelled my second AZ and feel fine about it.

OnTheBrink1 · 16/05/2021 16:34

It’s literally project fear ramping up yet again. So many so blind to even question motives.
Once you realise you can’t trust anything you are seeing or reading in the MSM you realise that there are motives behind every story and every picture and every set of data. The motive is always money or power.

PetraRabbit · 16/05/2021 16:45

**You see THAT'S what bothers me: the holier than thou attitude.

Unless you are terrified of the side effects but doing it anyway to protect others you are no more moral than me.

It's easy to be holier than thou when something costs you nothing.**

I felt that was worth repeating.

Also from the tone of some people, they'd be the ones (at some not too distant future time) lining up to give prison sentences to ordinary mothers who won't vaccinate their 6 month old babies against a virus that has almost zero chance of killing them, with a vaccine that's been on the market a few months and has no long term data at all and for which unexpected side effects have already been exhibited in the adult population. Because if everyone must be vaccinated regardless of personal risk from a disease, and no questions must be asked about new medical trestments that speculatively "all evidence suggests should be safe", that's where we are going. On another thread someone said "blessed be the fruit" and indeed.....

People like the OP make me understand the past and fear for the future.

Lostinacloud · 16/05/2021 16:46

The thing is, the absolute vast majority of under 50’s don’t need a vaccine to protect them against covid, as continuous data from around the world shows that the survival rate is over 98% and as high as 99% the younger you are. So, the only reason to get the vaccine when under 50, is to contribute to herd immunity and be allowed our freedoms again. Well if the promised freedoms are going to be snatched away everytime a less deadly but more virulent (aka standard virus mutation pattern) comes along then why should the younger generations be expected once again to have their lives put on hold and take risks which may be higher to them than catching the actual virus?
That said, however, I predict that we will shortly be told the Indian variant evades those who’ve only had one dose and also appears to affect younger people more than the disease did previously - how convenient! Watch and see....

picturesandpickles · 16/05/2021 16:54

The thing scientific advisers are not yet totally sure of, and presumably holding their breath with fingers crossed, is to what extent the different levels of infection between age groups is due to vaccines or social behaviour.

I really, really, really hope it is vaccination. Think we will know pretty soon.

I note the government is now citing people as 'unvaccinated' in much the same way as they used to say 'underlying conditions'. Because they do not want the blame for letting the fucking variant seed so widely in the first place. We could never have kept it out entirely, but we could have kept it much much lower. Johnson delayed for two weeks - yet again. The man is a fortnight late on every bloody decision.

FlyLight · 16/05/2021 16:57

You see, a while ago I've had been keen to explain my reasoning for waiting a while before having the vaccine. However attitudes like the OP just want to make me say I'm not having it and I don't give a shit if anyone thinks that makes me selfish.

People like the OP make me understand the past and fear for the future

100%. It started with the glee with which some people reported others for supposed lockdown violations, and it continues with vaccines. Terrifying.

Solomonseals · 16/05/2021 17:00

What's tragic, is how this has divided the nation. The world. Mind your own bloody business and let people decide for themselves if they have something injected into their bodies FFS. World has gone bloody mad and yes I've had my vaccinations but I am appalled at the judgement of those that choose not to. This world is not a pleasant one to live in anymore and I truly fear for my children and their right to live their lives in relative freedom.

Bbq1 · 16/05/2021 17:02

@Vickles20

From Sky News (Matt Hancock):-

“There is a "high degree of confidence" that vaccines protect against the Indian variant of COVID-19 - but it can "spread like wildfire" among those who HAVEN’T HAD A JAB, Matt Hancock has told Sky News.”

I spent a lot of time on here when I was due to have my first jab and after it. And I was blown away at the amount of anti-vac nonsense and I nearly fell for it to! You nearly got me!!! But, I went and had it and boy, I’m so glad I did.

So to those who’s role in life it is to spread anti-vac nonsense to us. How are you feeling now? Now that the Indian variant is here, all over our country. And you actually chose to skip/delay for another vaccine or totally decided against it. I’m generally interested. As I’m feeling safe in the knowledge that I’m protected. And safe that I listened to medical advice instead of anti-vac nonsense from Mumsnetters, who interestingly were first time posters with their anti-vac propaganda posts.

@Vickles20 Do you have a link for Matt Hancock saying this please? I have a relative who is refusing to have the jab for no good reason but is mixing freely, works in a pub and still wants to visit the family all the time including my 81 year old mum. I want to send her the link.

FlyLight · 16/05/2021 17:04

But if the people's she's mixing with are vaccinated then they are protected no?

Alexapissoff · 16/05/2021 17:05

People like the OP make me understand the past and fear for the future.

I’m scared for my children, for where this is all going.

cardibach · 16/05/2021 17:11

@Wherediditgo

Oh dear OP. You have well and truly drunk the Kool Aid. A project fear sponge

This.
Consider the timing of this.... a few days before the largest lifting of restrictions since last summer and just as they’re getting to under 40s in the vaccine roll out where the uptake is likely to be lower? And you don’t think it’s a coincidence?

Except in Wales, where 80% of the adult population have had at least one vaccination. No problem with uptake here. Less Indian variant at the moment , so we’ll see what happens if it gets here.

flippertygibbit · 16/05/2021 17:15

I had my vaccine because I was desperate to be part of getting back to some normality . If my MH wasn't shot I wouldn't have taken it.

Healthwise I am vulnerable. I won't be taking a booster if they (and I'm sure they will) introduce it. If I get it and die, meh, life is shit now anyway.

My DP, most of his family and our friends haven't taken it. That's fine with me, their body their choice. They're not AZ haters or anti-vaxxers they're just making their own decisions. They get it they die, their choice.

For the records, I've had cancer, this last year has been so awful I'd rather go back to the cancer year. To be totally honest, I fear more the people that can't accept it is ok for others to make a decision someone else doesn't accept.

bookworm1632 · 16/05/2021 17:23

Personally I think that anyone who refuses the vaccine should be refused hospital treatment should they fall ill with the virus, including long-covid clinics.

THAT might sharpen up some minds.

Sadly the way the country is currently run means that a whole bunch of arrogant, misinformed, self-centred idiots can ruin it for the rest of us.

Incidentally as far as vaccines and the Indian variant go - there's never been any doubt that they "work". The question has always been *"To what extent?" The nightmare scenario is that they're slightly less effective which would translate to an enormous difference in the extent to which the vaccine suppresses onward transmission - hence the vaccine drive in affected areas is unlikely to work at stopping the take off of Wave #3.

Username198 · 16/05/2021 17:29

@bookworm1632 I agree and anyone who smokes should be refused treatment for lung cancer, anyone who is obese should be refused insulin for diabetes, anyone who drink should be refused treatment for liver failure...

Alexapissoff · 16/05/2021 17:32

Anyone who is involved in a car accident, a sporting accident or or has a diy injury shouldn’t be treated either as they knew they were taking a risk.

BluebellsGreenbells · 16/05/2021 17:34

agree and anyone who smokes should be refused treatment for lung cancer, anyone who is obese should be refused insulin for diabetes, anyone who drink should be refused treatment for liver failure...

Anyone who is involved in a car accident, a sporting accident or or has a diy injury shouldn’t be treated either as they knew they were taking a risk

Didn’t put others at risk though

Suranjeep · 16/05/2021 17:38

@Covywovy

I'm not having this vaccine but anybody else wants it that's fine.

My only gripe is this: very, very few people are getting this jab out of the goodness of their hearts. They're doing out of fear of getting sick, going on holiday, and a whole host of other selfish reasons.

And nothing wrong with that!!

You see THAT'S what bothers me: the holier than thou attitude.

Unless you are terrified of the side effects but doing it anyway to protect others you are no more moral than me.

It's easy to be holier than thou when something costs you nothing.

It doesnt cost nothing, this is costing millions, its something else we'll be paying for, for many years to come. Each additional shot that we will apparently need every few months or however often they decide will also be paid for by us.

Kick up enough fuss about the cheaper one as well and force the NHS into giving once which is several times more expensive as well, ching ching

Username198 · 16/05/2021 17:42

@BluebellsGreenbells Second hand smoke? Alcohol fuelled violence?

picturesandpickles · 16/05/2021 17:43

@bookworm1632

Personally I think that anyone who refuses the vaccine should be refused hospital treatment should they fall ill with the virus, including long-covid clinics.

THAT might sharpen up some minds.

Sadly the way the country is currently run means that a whole bunch of arrogant, misinformed, self-centred idiots can ruin it for the rest of us.

Incidentally as far as vaccines and the Indian variant go - there's never been any doubt that they "work". The question has always been *"To what extent?" The nightmare scenario is that they're slightly less effective which would translate to an enormous difference in the extent to which the vaccine suppresses onward transmission - hence the vaccine drive in affected areas is unlikely to work at stopping the take off of Wave #3.

Great idea!

I think we should leave their body to rot in the street. That'll teach 'em, and show the world what a great nation we are.

FlyLight · 16/05/2021 17:50

Jesus there really are some vindictive people out there.

Alexapissoff · 16/05/2021 17:50

@picturesandpickles or hand them from a cage from London Bridge as they suffer to send a message to all the other filthy unvaxxed. That’ll show ‘em.

I’m being deliberately facetious because I fucking despair.

picturesandpickles · 16/05/2021 17:55

@FlyLight

Jesus there really are some vindictive people out there.

Unhappy people. I don't like the things being said on this thread but I am mostly just happy not to be that cross.

Suranjeep · 16/05/2021 17:58

Maybe we just shouldnt treat people who have Covid and need help because they should have stayed ThE FUCK At HoMe