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To anyone who turned their jab down.... (anti-vac/Astra haters)

190 replies

Vickles20 · 16/05/2021 10:05

From Sky News (Matt Hancock):-

“There is a "high degree of confidence" that vaccines protect against the Indian variant of COVID-19 - but it can "spread like wildfire" among those who HAVEN’T HAD A JAB, Matt Hancock has told Sky News.”

I spent a lot of time on here when I was due to have my first jab and after it. And I was blown away at the amount of anti-vac nonsense and I nearly fell for it to! You nearly got me!!! But, I went and had it and boy, I’m so glad I did.

So to those who’s role in life it is to spread anti-vac nonsense to us. How are you feeling now? Now that the Indian variant is here, all over our country. And you actually chose to skip/delay for another vaccine or totally decided against it. I’m generally interested. As I’m feeling safe in the knowledge that I’m protected. And safe that I listened to medical advice instead of anti-vac nonsense from Mumsnetters, who interestingly were first time posters with their anti-vac propaganda posts.

OP posts:
NoviceGardenLady · 17/05/2021 15:47

I haven't been offered the jab yet but I am seriously thinking about waiting until the companies have all filed their final safety reports with the European Medicines Agency in 2022.

These safety reports would usually be a requirement before a drug is licensed but the Covid-19 vaccine was allowed to be used before these final reports because of the emergency situation.

Moreover the Covid-19 vaccine was only approved without final stage safety checks because of the risk to older people, people with underlying health conditions etc.

For me (a healthy person in my mid-30s with no underlying health issues), an under-tested vaccine represents a greater risk than Covid-19, even the Indian variant. I'm absolutely not anti-vax and I will have my Covid-19 vaccination but only when the final safety reports are filed.

psychomath · 17/05/2021 16:15

According to the Qcovid risk calculator, which is approved by the NHS, a 20 year old woman with a healthy BMI and no underlying health conditions has about a 1 in 330,000 chance of dying from covid and a 1 in 6000ish chance of being hospitalised. According to this article there's about a 1 in 90,000 chance of developing one of the rare clots from the vaccine, and currently around 1 in 5 people who get them die. So the risk of dying from a vaccine-related clot is about 1 in 450,000, lower than the risk of dying from covid. I don't really understand the argument that "as a young healthy woman I have almost no risk of dying from covid" - it's true, but your chance of dying from the vaccine is even less. So why not go with the option that has the lower risk of death AND additional benefits to others?

HesterShaw1 · 17/05/2021 16:19

@Devlesko

Is there any evidence it works anyway. Chille and The Seychelles have vaccinated far higher percentages than anywhere else, far higher than here, yet they have spikes. Hasn't done a lot for them.
I read that Chile did mass vaccination very quickly and released many restrictions straightaway before numbers had gone down , so that no immunity had even had a chance to kick in.

I think looking at the evidence from the UK so far it's pretty clear that it does work if done properly.

Nsmum14 · 17/05/2021 16:20

@OnTheBrink1 so true. Got to keep the fear going, we've forgotten how to live without it.

Nsmum14 · 17/05/2021 16:22

@NoviceGardenLady Same here

olympicsrock · 17/05/2021 16:27

Funny thing is that I was very pro- vaccine ( HCP). Now I am looking after 2 patients who have had huge complications related to vaccine thrombosis both with brain thrombosis and threatened limbs. One a young woman. The problem is that as more people are vaccinated the more complications will happen. The risks of the AZ vaccine are real I’m afraid. I’m very worried that the AZ vaccine programme will be stopped.

loulouljh · 17/05/2021 16:27

Wow. What a horrible post! I have not had the vaccine. Am not anti-vax either. And no I am not worried about the latest scariant in the least! If you think your post will encourage people to take up the vaccine you are horribly wrong!

Fishandhips · 17/05/2021 16:37

@olympicsrock

Funny thing is that I was very pro- vaccine ( HCP). Now I am looking after 2 patients who have had huge complications related to vaccine thrombosis both with brain thrombosis and threatened limbs. One a young woman. The problem is that as more people are vaccinated the more complications will happen. The risks of the AZ vaccine are real I’m afraid. I’m very worried that the AZ vaccine programme will be stopped.
The chances of having 2 patients are so so so so low, almost couldn't make it up eh ;)
MummyPop00 · 17/05/2021 16:48

Why do people start strident & assertive ‘This is my truth’ type threads like this? So boring.

I had 1st AZ in mid Feb. Not had the 2nd because I still have a localised headache with no explanations from the medics other than ‘bloods are normal’ & I also had Covid Spring 2020 & so all things considered I’m very happy with my decision to refuse the 2nd jab thanks.

HesterShaw1 · 17/05/2021 16:49

‘This is my truth’

Such a bloody oxymoron isn't it?

"My truth" FFS

CrunchyCarrot · 17/05/2021 16:52

Both Chile and the Seychelles used the Sinopharm vaccine, which isn't anywhere near as effective as the other major vaccines being used. I think it's around 50% effective. That would explain their continuing higher rates.

DeadlyMedally · 17/05/2021 17:04

I'm young enough to not even be offered it, but I imagine for a lot of people the dilemma is that the vaccines carry a risk of side effects (with the clotting being the worst, but temporary flu/cold-like symptoms being pretty common).
If you're young and healthy, your chances of experiencing serious complications with covid are extremely low (anecdotally, everyone in my peer group who has caught it either didn't notice or had fairly mild symptoms).
Combine this with a less than 100% chance of contracting it in the first place (I'm pretty up on my hygiene, I won't go back to the office unless I'm forced and my clubbing days are mostly behind me), it's just not a priority for me.
People who are worried that they are in a risk category should absolutely get vaccinated. They come up on a different side of the cost-benefit analysis.

roguetomato · 17/05/2021 17:37

I just wish people stop saying I'm not anti-vax but.....
You are, and that's totally fine. But hope you realise any medicine cannot be approved without trials, and there are people who went through with it.
People saying I'm fine because I'm young and healthy doesn't understand the purpose of vaccine. Especially the ones who says they have vaccinated their children for other. If certain numbers of people refuse, there's the risk of illness spreading, like measles.

You maybe fine, but the people who cannot get vaccinated because of medical reason may not be fine. But it's your choice, and I don't think forcing vaccine on people who don't want to get vaccinated is right, but I just want them to own their choice by not making the excuse.

It really makes me sad.

XenoBitch · 17/05/2021 17:51

I have not seen much anti-vac "nonsense" on here at all. It has mostly been people worried about side effects, or people with health/needle anxiety.

I just wish people stop saying I'm not anti-vax but.....
You are, and that's totally fine. But hope you realise any medicine cannot be approved without trials, and there are people who went through with it

Not wanting one particular vaccine does not make someone anti-vax.

Schulte · 17/05/2021 17:55

‘ The chances of having 2 patients are so so so so low, almost couldn't make it up eh ;)’

Actually they are not that low. Are you saying the poster is lying? Confused

Alexapissoff · 17/05/2021 18:24

At the end of the day we are all motivated by fear. However you want to dress it up.

People who want the vaccine are motivated by the fear they will die of covid.

People who don’t want it, or don’t want a specific vaccine are fearful of the vaccine effects either now or in the future.

That’s all there is. And no amount of name calling is going to help anyone.

Alexapissoff · 17/05/2021 18:26

The chances of having 2 patients are so so so so low, almost couldn't make it up eh ;)

Well no, not if you read accounts by medics all over the world. But obviously they must all be anti vaxxer conspiracy theorists who are lying.

Fishandhips · 17/05/2021 18:29

@Schulte

‘ The chances of having 2 patients are so so so so low, almost couldn't make it up eh ;)’

Actually they are not that low. Are you saying the poster is lying? Confused

Yes the chances of 2 patients on one ward with 'huge' complications is low.

Well no, not if you read accounts by medics all over the world. But obviously they must all be anti vaxxer conspiracy theorists who are lying

Where are all of these accounts of medics all around the world who have many people in the their care with huge complications? Absolutely there are some, but to have 2 is unusual.

SempreSuiGeneris · 17/05/2021 18:31

Agree Alexa

People who have already been vaccinated are fearful they made the wrong call

People not yet vaccinated are fearful about committing

Everyone fearful vaccination will not end the nightmare hence the urge to leverage their position onto everyone else.

HesterShaw1 · 17/05/2021 18:33

People who want the vaccine are motivated by the fear they will die of covid.

I got the vaccine because I want to socialise. I have been living on my own, self employed and with no social life for over a year, so...that's basically it. No fear involved, and no noble sentiments about protecting the vulnerable either. They've already had theirs.

So shoot me.

HesterShaw1 · 17/05/2021 18:34

Unless it's the fear of being locked down again in which case you are right of course.

MarshaBradyo · 17/05/2021 18:34

@SempreSuiGeneris

Agree Alexa

People who have already been vaccinated are fearful they made the wrong call

People not yet vaccinated are fearful about committing

Everyone fearful vaccination will not end the nightmare hence the urge to leverage their position onto everyone else.

I’m not fearful I’ve made the wrong call, vaccinated

Not sure why I would be

diggadoonew · 17/05/2021 18:35

I am 37. Had AZ. Both jabs. Good.

grapewine · 17/05/2021 18:37

Not wanting one particular vaccine does not make someone anti-vax.

So much this.

"Astrahaters" -- way to be goady, OP.

roguetomato · 17/05/2021 18:38

I'm not fearful that I made the wrong choice for getting vaccinated. There's not much thought into it except for the fact it's the only way out of this pandemic.

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