Will UK govt covid strategy stop another wave?

[CarrieAntoinette]

According to the last Warwick University modelling I've seen, numbers are due to start ticking upwards soon. (Graph below)

Do you think the current government covid strategy will prevent another wave like the last two?

And if so, how?

(My view is that there'll be a honeymoon period where it all looks ok for a bit, and then it will kick off again, much like it has before.)

@Sallycinnamum

I knew before I even opened this thread it would be you OP.

I get that a lot.

I'm not here much, but I do seem to make an impression.

OP please what do you want to gain from this - this cant be good for your mental health worrying about all of this. Taking all this data and rather than going

wow 52.7% of the population has had one vaccine.

A 1/3 adults have had 2 (and the 1/3 adults who have made up a large proportion of the hopitialsations and deaths) 2/3 adults have had a least one dose.

None of the mutations so far seem to evade vaccines and you are worried on them increasing transmission

@namechange34

You see doom and gloom. And not only that take that doom and gloom and put on a website where in the Coronavirus area alone there are clearly people struggling with their mental health, anxiety and COVID and who will see these posts and for whom they will be triggering.

@namechange34 not necessarily when I did some moving around yesterday there were tons more appointments then there were a week ago. I think they have the vaccines in place now for the under 40s so are opening up more spots. I would be hopeful if I were you at getting something around the w/c 17th May.

ODFOD

Thankyou CarrieAntoinette, just had first proper meal in days and off back to bed but it’s done me good. I think people just need to be so careful still as until all adults have had at least one vaccine and ideally both there will of course be outbreaks from schools etc to parents, like someone said up thread just because a younger person is less likely to be hospitalised doesn’t mean it’s plain sailing, I’ve been really ill and not through it yet i don’t think. It feels like younger people , so 45 and under maybe, and children are going to be at risk over the coming weeks and months. I don’t know the solution to that, my children certainly would struggle with more lockdown, as it is we are all still isolating due to our current illness which is just like more lockdown for them and once they were well enough had to do online school again and two classes are closed down at the school. Public health England involved as possible variant.

@Tealightsandd what makes you so sure that nobody would care? London is the highest priority and the most significant area of the UK - it’s naive to think the government would sacrifice London for the arse end of nowhere elsewhere. Let’s be honest, the Uk would be nothing without London.

A lot of the unvaccinated are under 30 and the under 30s are not ending up in hospital with covid in great numbers. Obviously the variants are a concern but I just can’t see the NHS being overwhelmed again.

Also by the time the 20s are being vaccinated I’m sure they won’t be leaving 12 weeks between Pfizer doses, that was only done because we were in an emergency situation in January and just needed as many 1st jabs done ASAP. The younger adults could be fully vaccinated a month from their first jab if they change it back to 3 weeks.

[quote mooonstone]@Tealightsandd what makes you so sure that nobody would care? London is the highest priority and the most significant area of the UK - it’s naive to think the government would sacrifice London for the arse end of nowhere elsewhere. Let’s be honest, the Uk would be nothing without London.[/quote]
What makes me think that?
Well, unless things have significantly changed since the last two waves?

Like people have said on other threads, national lockdowns were only put in place when Covid started to spread out of London (the wealthy had already escaped to their countryside homes).

London is the highest priority in terms of money being made out of it and international travel coming into it spreading new strains
Londoners, particularly the many deprived and vulnerable, are the lowest priority. Which is why more than 10,000 of them are now dead.

As for people asking what OP wants. Isn't it obvious? For once, foresight instead of hindsight, proactive preventative action instead of a load of "but we can't" and "sorry, we didn't think/plan/prepare/realise". Oh - and maybe, just maybe, measures to protect the whole population...even vulnerable Londoners (as a one off).

There's no UK govt strategy. We are not all in this together. BoJo thinks only of England with no care of the roll on effect to Svotlsnd or Wales in particular.

Do you think the current government covid strategy will prevent another wave like the last two?

And if so, how?

If they keep most countries on the amber or red lists for travel and the speculation about wfh continuing indefinitely, then I think we will be ok. What the government can’t control is vaccine uptake, as that is a personal choice, but as long as it remains high (especially if children are added to the vaccination plans) I think we will be fine.

As long as we don’t lockdown again and schools stay open.

Have you picked up the baton from PrincessNutNuts OP? You seem to have appeared the same day that she stopped posting.

It’s the same style of selecting data to fit your narrative and not really engaging in any critique.

Like others I question your motivation for this thread. Certainly you are not really interested in debating the question posed.

We have been in lockdown (of varying degrees of severity) now for going on for 7 months. We know lockdown in itself causes harm and that we need to balance the risks associated with covid against the risks associated with the measures taken to reduce covid.

On balance I would say the plan for ending lockdown is towards the more cautious end although not as cautious as some might prefer. That said there will also be lots of people who think things should move much faster.

I have always been fairly happy to take my chances with covid myself (although very happy to be vaccinated when my turn comes!) but was worried for my DM and FIL and MIL who are all over 70 with various underlying conditions. They have all now received both vaccine doses so much less concerned now. I think the level of risk is acceptable in exchange for a functional economy and and a decent quality of life.

Who actually cares.......

Have you picked up the baton from PrincessNutNuts OP? You seem to have appeared the same day that she stopped posting.

Yeah. Funny that.

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@Quartz2208

OP please what do you want to gain from this - this cant be good for your mental health worrying about all of this. Taking all this data and rather than going

wow 52.7% of the population has had one vaccine.

A 1/3 adults have had 2 (and the 1/3 adults who have made up a large proportion of the hopitialsations and deaths) 2/3 adults have had a least one dose.

None of the mutations so far seem to evade vaccines and you are worried on them increasing transmission

@namechange34

You see doom and gloom. And not only that take that doom and gloom and put on a website where in the Coronavirus area alone there are clearly people struggling with their mental health, anxiety and COVID and who will see these posts and for whom they will be triggering.

@namechange34 not necessarily when I did some moving around yesterday there were tons more appointments then there were a week ago. I think they have the vaccines in place now for the under 40s so are opening up more spots. I would be hopeful if I were you at getting something around the w/c 17th May.

As the virus spreads fastest through the unvaccinated the % of the UK population who are unvaccinated is highly relevant.

@UmbilicusProfundus

Have you picked up the baton from PrincessNutNuts OP? You seem to have appeared the same day that she stopped posting.

It’s the same style of selecting data to fit your narrative and not really engaging in any critique.

Like others I question your motivation for this thread. Certainly you are not really interested in debating the question posed.

I've responded to almost everyone at least once but it is dinner time and Saturday night.

I'll be back though.

As the virus spreads fastest through the unvaccinated the % of the UK population who are unvaccinated is highly relevant.

Yes but so is risk of hospitalisation/death of the unvaccinated. You have a terrible habit of picking out the facts that suit your narrative and ignore those that dont.

It doesnt mean that the facts like the highlighted that you state arent true but that they dont give you the full picture.

I thought people weren't allowed to allude to suspected name changes on MN?

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If it's going to be all over by July why bother with autumn boosters?

UmbilicusProfundus
Have you picked up the baton from PrincessNutNuts OP? You seem to have appeared the same day that she stopped posting.

It’s the same style of selecting data to fit your narrative and not really engaging in any critique.

Like others I question your motivation for this thread. Certainly you are not really interested in debating the question posed.
It would make sense both PrincessNutNuts and CarrieAntoinette are nicknames which reference Carrie Symonds (the first is Dominic Cummings name for her and the second has what she has been called since the wallpaper scandal)

I thought this too the other day!

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if this actually was Carrie? She totally is all smiles in public and thinking you absolute tool Boris behind the scenes.

@Pootle40

Who actually cares.......

Those of us who care about our country I guess?

Those of us who want to stay out of Lockdown?

Those of us who care about children's education?

Those of us who care about all the healthcare being missed while hospitals have been too busy with covid?

@Torvean

There's no UK govt strategy. We are not all in this together. BoJo thinks only of England with no care of the roll on effect to Svotlsnd or Wales in particular.

I can't argue with that.

@Tealightsandd

I thought people weren't allowed to allude to suspected name changes on MN?

I thought that as well. Surely it's possible to debate the point without resorting to that?