Does anyone else think the trial club nights at Liverpool are a mistake?

[ZNation]

www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-56943652

Trial club nights 6000 people no masks or social distancing. You have to have had negative lateral test before attending and are 'encouraged' not compulsory for pcr test 5 days after.
I think this is too soon to be trialling large crowds when people can't even go in their mums house indoors

I don't disagree with the trial at all and it's a great idea. However it does seem strange that they're allowing 6000 people to party together when some hospital trusts are still not allowing partners to attend important scans or all of labour, so women are STILL receiving awful news or giving birth alone. It does seem like timings and priorities of certain things opening up are completely messed up.

I’m a bit uneasy about this and the mask less meeting they had in the city earlier in the week. so long as it’s being rigorously followed up then I suppose we have to start somewhere.

No, I’m glad they are doing it. The old normal needs to come back, for young people’s sanity and future.

I think it was a great idea. If in the unlikely event it doesn't work, at least its a controlled environment and they likely know who those people were and how to find them (although I do think it'll be fine)

I think schools have been the big experiment. We've been open 6 weeks, with Easter in between. Kids really aren't sd- hands on each other/ borrowing equipment, wearing masks as chin warmers, closing windows..... but we haven't had to send anyone home. We're in a v high population dense area. I'm not convinced many are using their testing kits either.

@Luckyelephant1

I don't disagree with the trial at all and it's a great idea. However it does seem strange that they're allowing 6000 people to party together when some hospital trusts are still not allowing partners to attend important scans or all of labour, so women are STILL receiving awful news or giving birth alone. It does seem like timings and priorities of certain things opening up are completely messed up.

But clubbing isn't opening up, they did the one trial to have time to look at the data etc before they reopen perhaps in June. Not sure why this concept is so hard for some to understand.

I think its brilliant. There's 4000 people going to see Blossoms tomorrow in Sefton Park as well.
A really positive step forward.

A really good point. Trials such as this and the sports fans would not work if you can’t tell whether the fans/clubbers caught or spread due to mixing with family instead.

Great theory, however in practice it’s already too late as I have a thread on here in which 67% of respondents have declared that they no longer give a shit about observing any Covid-related restrictions on mixing and apparently those of us who do are sad losers.

@HolmeH

I think it’s great, it’s a trial. Before everything opens up.

However, I do agree with the school point. If you can go to a mass event after testing negative, then you should also be allowed back into school after doing so upon close contact (once everyone’s been vaccinated maybe). Perhaps those with close contact need to do LFT’s daily to be sure. Yes, they aren’t perfect but it is not sustainable to keep isolating children who are not actually ill & never go on to catch anything. It’s extremely disruptive to education.

They are starting new trials on this in schools- DS is part of a trial which will have different guidelines on close contacts. Extra daily testing (combination of LFT and PCR) and keeping kids in school more.

@TokyoSushi

I think it was a great idea. If in the unlikely event it doesn't work, at least its a controlled environment and they likely know who those people were and how to find them (although I do think it'll be fine)

It's not a controlled environment though as the people are only encouraged to take a pcr test 5 days after the event and are not isolating afterwards and will be mixing with friends and family and the general public. There are too many variables for it to be a proper controlled trial. Who is to say they don't catch Covid from a family member after the event but then this affects the trial and they think they caught Covid from the nightclub?

They have recently done something very similar in Spain.
Masks but no social distancing.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56899764

@Trolleywool yes, I understand that completely and like I said I don't disagree with it at all. I still find it strange they would rather trial this first than trial all hospitals allowing partners to attend labour/birth in its entirety.

Because the risks to hospital patients are too great to do that sort of experiment.

All the clubbers are young and healthy and have volunteered to participate in the experiment. That’s not the case for hospital patients.

@ZNation

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-56943652

Trial club nights 6000 people no masks or social distancing. You have to have had negative lateral test before attending and are 'encouraged' not compulsory for pcr test 5 days after.
I think this is too soon to be trialling large crowds when people can't even go in their mums house indoors

It's the same as the sports arenas and stadiums trials. They are trials hence happening now before things open up for all. The results may have an impact on what happens for all us from June onwards.

They are doing it towards the end of this current easing so the impact can be more clearly shown.

If they do it later and those people are then out and about more, mixing with others indoors all the time, the results will be even more skewed.

@Suzi888

I know what you mean with gyms still being shut, holidays up in the air, it seems a bit weird. However this is a controlled experiment and we need to get life moving again.

Gyms are open. Why do people pipe up on threads like this without even knowing simple facts

@ZNation

I'm not against the trial or nightclubs reopening at all but just think it's come before people allowed to see family indoors which doesn't make sense

Everyone I know has been seeing family indoors for weeks. People are fed up of the inconsistency with the rules

It’s a great idea - if I was younger I’d have been totally up for that

@2stoneTogo I guess if people aren’t being admitted to hospital in the community now and a negative LFT is seen as a green light you can’t blame them really

No, I think it’s a great idea. This shit has gone on far too long. Go and see your mum if you want, no one cares. This government are bent and they don’t deserve people to follow their stupid “rules”.

I have been so cautious for so long, and I still am wary about going into shops if they look crowded, but by God I loved seeing this footage on the news. Look how happy they all were - it's been bloody tough on young people and they should be enjoying the best years of their lives right now.

This was a very controlled trial. Not only did all of those who attended have a well deserved night out, but the rest of us will all benefit too once the scientists have been able to analysis the results. We can only start to regain normality with the help of trials like this.

Oh flipping heck. It's a trial. A scientific experiment.

It has nothing to do with whether or not you can see your Mum / best friend / bit on the side indoors before May 17th. It's about establishing what sort of set up is needed in order to enable normal life to resume, to see what effects ventilation has on air spread, and how effective mass testing is.

It's called Science and it's what will get us out of this mess.

It's called Science and it's what will get us out of this mess.

Quite. People are keen to shout about “following the science” on things like distancing, mask wearing etc, science must not be relevant when it involves people having fun.

To pps saying they wish they were still young enough to go clubbing... There is no age limit you know? If you enjoy the music and the dancing just do it! I don't intend to stop just because I'm older now.

[quote Allmyarseandpeggymartin]@2stoneTogo I guess if people aren’t being admitted to hospital in the community now and a negative LFT is seen as a green light you can’t blame them really[/quote]
Exactly. I’m judging no one for rule breaking at all

The only issue I have with this trial is surely they should have done a similar event without the testing to see the differences?