Does anyone else think the trial club nights at Liverpool are a mistake?

[ZNation]

www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-56943652

Trial club nights 6000 people no masks or social distancing. You have to have had negative lateral test before attending and are 'encouraged' not compulsory for pcr test 5 days after.
I think this is too soon to be trialling large crowds when people can't even go in their mums house indoors

Great idea. By trialing it gives time to look at covid in the area after .... infection rate stays low and more restrictions can be lifted....

Cannot stay restricted for ever

@BluebellsGreenbells - anyone who lived in the right postcodes could apply for tickets. Including any over 50 clubbers.

Dontwanttolivewithmylover
Immunity doesn't last beyond 6 months AT MOST.“

Don’t be silly. No-one knows yet, including the people who developed the vaccines.

Znation thinks it's 'too soon..... 🙄

Glad znation and similar mn posters are not in charge, we would never do anything until 0 covid....because it's 'too soon

looks like great fun!

@ZNation

I'm not against the trial or nightclubs reopening at all but just think it's come before people allowed to see family indoors which doesn't make sense

I was all ready to disagree with you until you said this ^^. I loved seeing the footage of those people enjoying themselves clubbing, it was a positive reminder of normal life but yes I agree that family indoors is more important than a piss up.

I can see a booming business in falsified test results. And people in nightclubs frequently make poor decisions, starting about 2-3 drinks in. It may be ok, but I can see a lot of room for catastrophe.

@Mamanyt

I can see a booming business in falsified test results. And people in nightclubs frequently make poor decisions, starting about 2-3 drinks in. It may be ok, but I can see a lot of room for catastrophe.

It's going to be even more catastrophic in a few weeks when nightclubs open properly, not as trials, but for real.

Or, you know, it won't be catastrophic at all.

No. Young people have sacrificed a lot (so many “rites of passage” events) over the past year.

Of course that’s not suggesting that others haven’t made huge sacrifices too. Including the elderly who have not been able to see family.

BUT young these people are low- risk and high risk people have been vaccinated.

@Dontwanttolivewithmylover

Immunity doesn't last beyond 6 months AT MOST.

Do you have a source for this?

Unless you mean that you've seen an article that shows that people have immunity 6 months following their vaccine? Most people haven't been vaccinated beyond that yet so the full data isn't there to confirm for sure how long full immunity lasts.

Fwiw friend's parents were part of the as trials and were vaccinated last year, summer time iirr. They are still monitored.

They still have antibody immunity - they are further on than 6 months, so the 'at most' statement is definitely not true.

No, I don't think it's a mistake. It's a trial, all carefully planned. I'm happy the festival goers had a fab time, and very grateful that by taking part in the trial - which will be analysed in depth - they are doing the society a favour. Win-win all the way.

Well the BRITS have said lot of the audience will be NHS/key workers. Which means the celebrity medics/ scientists/blue tick brigade who were moaning about last weekends Liverpool raves, cant really say anything without looking like they are criticising fellow key workers, yet if they dont say anything last weekends comments will look like the selective outrage it was.
The BRITS have played a blinder here.

Guess family indoors in theory is 2 weeks time unless anything drastic changes. Nightclubs is in June with way way more people so least gives gives a idea if can open not depending on how this all goes. And give time to make adjustments if needed.

But but the NHS have been imploring us to stay home.

I struggle to see how this is a scientific experiment. For that you need results how are they planning to collect the results if the follow up is not compulsory. Ridiculous.

I am all for trials in different situations but FFS do it properly.

@Tooshyshyhushhushioi

I struggle to see how this is a scientific experiment. For that you need results how are they planning to collect the results if the follow up is not compulsory. Ridiculous.

I am all for trials in different situations but FFS do it properly.

Not sure how you could make it compulsory AFTER the event its not like you can lock them up for several days and release them after they've took a test. Theres no option but to rely on the goodwill of people to go for the follow up test.

Not against it but why can't I see anyone indoors if I take a lft test first then?

@avocadosq

Not against it but why can't I see anyone indoors if I take a lft test first then?

Many people are doing just that, you wouldn't be the first

Immunity doesn't last beyond 6 months AT MOST.

Huh? Source please? The vaccination programme only started mid December, so how could anyone possibly know this.

I'd say it's most likely will be the opposite. My friend is on the AZ trial. He had his first vaccine June 2020 and second in August 2020. He is getting regular antibody tests, and so far his immunity is holding up nicely.

Does the immunity comment come from the idea that immunity from actually having Covid doesn't last forever, ie people getting it twice, rather than immunity from the vaccine?

I think it's probably a bit of a sore point with some people who still can't see family. I can't see my parents and haven't done in months. My mum also has cancer. I'd live to be able to see her.
The nightclub trial In itself, I don't see an issue with, as they will be closely tracked and monitored, and it is being done for a good reason. It isn't being done maliciously to piss off other people, but it does seem to be having that affect with some.

enjoythesun, it is rare for a vaccination to last forever. It's not rocket science that uses likely that everyone will need to repeat having their jabs at some point, 6 months, 12 months or whatever. Also we know there are different strains of the virus that have emerged, so the vaccine may need to be further develop to combat these strains as we go along.

enjoythesun, to clarify, I'm not suggesting you actually said the vaccine will last forever. My point is that it will begin to wear off at some point, and will need to be administered again. It won't last indefinitely.

We only need the vaccines to work until everyone on the plant get access, once that happens even new strains should keep it at bay. The race is on for third world countries.

I don't think itvquite works like that. Well people still have to be vaccinated every year for it to protect them, and the it has to be developed to target the strain that they think is going to hot, or else it's useless. How is the Covid vaccine any different?