Does anyone else think the trial club nights at Liverpool are a mistake?

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www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-56943652

Trial club nights 6000 people no masks or social distancing. You have to have had negative lateral test before attending and are 'encouraged' not compulsory for pcr test 5 days after.
I think this is too soon to be trialling large crowds when people can't even go in their mums house indoors

I think it’s a good idea as things need to start moving however who is to say it is their LFT?

Not at all. I was delighted to hear about it.

Some posters have a lot more faith in the accuracy of LFTs than I would have.
Are they all being followed up? If not, how is it a trial? They might not be able to trace back any cases as a result of this.

If you are doing a trial, you have to have as many other controls as possible. Therefore if they waited until opening up you couldn't validate the results as you wouldn't be able to trace the infections, if they do occur.

I think it's fantastic, I'm sure you'd also be moaning if they reopened nightclubs without any real clue of the best way to implement some sort of guidance. Someone they interviewed had been a fresher last September and this was his first 'night' out- I found that incredibly sad.

It is a good idea.

If they get a couple of small outbreaks while we are still in lockdown, they can be contained.

If not, we can open up more.

Nice to see people having a great time in a space designed for it, as opposed to keeping everyone awake partying in a garden.

@Mistressinthetulips

Some posters have a lot more faith in the accuracy of LFTs than I would have. Are they all being followed up? If not, how is it a trial? They might not be able to trace back any cases as a result of this.

But they aren't going to stipulate people do a PCR test and sit and wait days for the results when entering a nightclub. Lateral flow tests are better than nothing, and the only viable form of testing in this scenario. Why wouldn't they do the follow up? If it means a step closer to clubs reopening I'm sure most if not all will.

OP you’re missing the point entirely. It’s scientific research. They have to start trialing and collecting data before things open up properly to ensure that when things do open they can do safely.
They’ve used younger people who are at a lower risk of being seriously ill if they do actually catch it and they’ve used a social situation in which close proximity is pretty much guaranteed.

If people want things to be back to normal then these trials need to happen or it never will.

Yeah you’re right, what the fuck do scientists know about setting up trials ffs. They should have asked mumsnet. Posters on here know waaaaaaay more about how these things work.

It's a trial. What part of that don't people get?

We need to test the waters of normality.

I really do worry about some people's attitudes. Anything remotely enjoyable aside from a walk in the middle of nowhere seems to have become almost immoral.

My 20s were spent clubbing, going to concerts. Don't we want those freedoms back?

I think it's far too early and a crazy idea.

People who tend to post it's too early, are the ones when we relax lockdown say just a another few weeks, and so on and so on.

We need to get open and that's what these trials are for.

Stupid. Kids still having to self isolate constantly missing school and having to wear masks all day despite regular LFT whilst adults party maskless!? What happened to putting children's education first. My son has had ONE week in school since December last year. Children are being so badly let down again and again
If they're opening everything up then they need to do away with the need for self isolating after testing negative.

The issue would be it only takes a few false negatives for a super spreader.

@Toty

Stupid. Kids still having to self isolate constantly missing school and having to wear masks all day despite regular LFT whilst adults party maskless!? What happened to putting children's education first. My son has had ONE week in school since December last year. Children are being so badly let down again and again If they're opening everything up then they need to do away with the need for self isolating after testing negative.

Why has your son only had one week in school since December?

I am not concerned about the people who attended the event catching Covid - they are young and hopefully fit and have made their own choice. But the people who come into contact with them in the days after the event didn't make a choice.

@AgnesNaismith

No and I hope they had a great time. I bet this is the first experience of a nightclub for some of them!

Testing the water is one thing but jumping right in and making a gigantic splash is another. It’s a ridiculous idea driven by commercialism and not science and common sense.

The trials need to happen now so that we can see the impact and epidemiologists can run analysis well before the 21st June, and we have time to put in place the measures that the trials show we need.

I work in the entertainment industry and we have had a hideous year. Many of my colleagues are losing their jobs, businesses and homes; we desperately need these trials so that we can reopen safely in June.

Or.... we could just say “fuck it- having regulated trial events will upset a minority of people who think it’s unfair that a few controlled events take place before nationwide hugs so best not”.

Then you have three options:

1. Let us reopen with no trials and let’s just see how it goes (it would be a pisser if it led to another lockdown because we didn’t know what we needed to do to manage risk and stop covid spread at live events, but hey ho)
2. Shut us down effectively forever- because if we don’t reopen soon, that’s what’s happening.
3. Give the industry 100% financial support to remain closed until such time as covid is eradicated. (Lol).

Any preferences?

@Mistressinthetulips

I am not concerned about the people who attended the event catching Covid - they are young and hopefully fit and have made their own choice. But the people who come into contact with them in the days after the event didn't make a choice.

Rolls eyes into oblivion. We have to move on eventually, are you waiting for zero cases (which isn't going to happen)

@GelfBride

I think it's far too early and a crazy idea.

When would be appropriate? The deaths are vanishingly small. My area (and surrounding) didn't have a single covid death in april.

It's a great idea!!!

I think it’s great, it’s a trial. Before everything opens up.

However, I do agree with the school point. If you can go to a mass event after testing negative, then you should also be allowed back into school after doing so upon close contact (once everyone’s been vaccinated maybe). Perhaps those with close contact need to do LFT’s daily to be sure. Yes, they aren’t perfect but it is not sustainable to keep isolating children who are not actually ill & never go on to catch anything. It’s extremely disruptive to education.

I think it’s brilliant, had a tear in my eye watching it on bbc news.

As the mother of two 20 somethings, they need to get out socialising and enjoying themselves.

Not the same thing as a club night but back in February - when cases were higher than they are now - I had a day's work on a film set. PCR test the day before, but on the day there was no social distancing and no masks when filming, although we were outside for most of it. This sort of thing has been going on throughout with appropriate precuations.

I'm all for it, and if I was 25 years younger I'd have loved to have been there, it looked amazing after a year of doing nothing.

It has been literally two weeks since schools fully opened where I live and we are told repeatedly that safety in school depends on rates of community transmission, other things need to remain restricted as children are the priority etc. If we could just get the "exams" out of the way before any more isolations that would be grand, thanks.
So a trial of this size, if happening near me, would not impress me in the slightest as it seems cavalier and does not seem to serve its purpose if the people attending are not actually being followed up and retested.

I see it as a positive step towards normality