Does anyone else think the trial club nights at Liverpool are a mistake?

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www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-56943652

Trial club nights 6000 people no masks or social distancing. You have to have had negative lateral test before attending and are 'encouraged' not compulsory for pcr test 5 days after.
I think this is too soon to be trialling large crowds when people can't even go in their mums house indoors

eveoha

These were not ‘controlled’ trials 🤬“

What do you mean? That’s how the event has been widely reported.

@eveoha

These were not ‘controlled’ trials 🤬

I'm glad someone else has mentioned this. How on earth is it a controlled trial when it's not compulsory to do a test 5 days after the event and be free to mix in their households where they could get covid from a family member and it then be wrongly assumed they got it from the nightclub?

@TheVampiresWife

It's wonderful. I felt quite emotional seeing the footage.

Not sure why anyone would think it's a good idea. It's a trial with testing before and after and we need stuff like this so we can begin to open up properly. But then I suspect that some people would be quite happy to see everything shut down for another year because safety first, eh. Even though the current average infection rate is lower than 1 in 1000, the virus is suppressed in very many areas and all vulnerable adults have been vaccinated.

Balls to that. I want to go to a gig!

Thing is these people berate everyone else as “selfish” but want things to continue as they are indefinitely because they are happy in lockdown and have no regard to the mental health and financial situation of people outside their own narrow sphere.

I think it is brilliant. I shed a little tear when I saw those young people having a little bit of normality. We have to test things rather than one day restricted/next day BOOM no restrictions. Maybe it will put the brakes on the roadmap, maybe it will confirm we are on track.

But how will we know if we don’t test it

It pisses me off that they're doing this whilst, in theory, we can't see people indoors.
I also have mild concerns about the level of post-event monitoring as it's a fantastic opportunity to see the accuracy of LFTs amongst the asymptomatic, mostly unvaccinated young.
Other than that, go for it!

@eveoha

These were not ‘controlled’ trials 🤬

Yes they were.

I have absolutely no objection to the trial or the event...I'm really hoping it's a success!!

I do, though, feel a little aggrieved that I still can't see my own mum, who is in a care home and has dementia. We are a large family and I live the furthest away, so it made sense to only have the two closest to the home named as her 'bubble' for visiting. This is what makes me sad when I see thousands of people crammed indoors, with no social distancing...that this could happen before I saw my mum.

I would be more than happy to take a test before being allowed to see my mum 😢

@RedcurrantPuff Thing is these people berate everyone else as “selfish” but want things to continue as they are indefinitely because they are happy in lockdown and have no regard to the mental health and financial situation of people outside their own narrow sphere.

Not at all. I want things to be back how they used to be. But not at the cost of risking yet more lockdowns/restrictions if things go wrong. If we'd not been as gung-ho last Summer, we may have avoided the repercussions (restrictions and lockdowns) that'll have done more harm than the "good" created by the Summer easings and the stupid eat out to spread covid scheme. Things need to be eased slowly and sensibly and easings reversed quicklyif cases rise.

The whole point of these trials is to see whether or not a full scale reopening is possible in June.

If the tests don't help and superspreading events still occur, then it's better to find out now, rather than after every club/cinema/theatre/stadium etc in the country has reopened.

No.

They are a very important experiment, as are the crowds at the snooker in Sheffield this week and at the football at Wembley last weekend.

We have to get our country back to normal, and in order to do so we have to figure out how to allow mass gatherings to take place safely. If they don’t do these trials, there won’t be any mass gatherings until everyone is fully vaccinated, and nobody wants that.

[quote Badbadbunny]**@RedcurrantPuff* Thing is these people berate everyone else as “selfish” but want things to continue as they are indefinitely because they are happy in lockdown and have no regard to the mental health and financial situation of people outside their own narrow sphere.*

Not at all. I want things to be back how they used to be. But not at the cost of risking yet more lockdowns/restrictions if things go wrong. If we'd not been as gung-ho last Summer, we may have avoided the repercussions (restrictions and lockdowns) that'll have done more harm than the "good" created by the Summer easings and the stupid eat out to spread covid scheme. Things need to be eased slowly and sensibly and easings reversed quicklyif cases rise.[/quote]
But this trial is taking things slowly and seeing how things go. I would fully agree with you if all clubs and gigs were just given the green light right now.

If we don’t do this now, when?

@SeaTurtles92

I think it's ridiculous. We still have restrictions yet 6000 people can go off and mingle whilst the rest of us muppets abide to the rules.

Absolute joke. Who's even to say that the test is even their own.

You're right - but it's not the fact that people can go clubbing that's ridiculous, it's the fact that with quick result tests readily available, a huge proportion being vaccinated, and cases being right down, that the rest of us are still locked up.

Eat out to help out was probably worse than this. No tests and no vaccinations at that point.

I didn't partake.

@megletthesecond

Eat out to help out was probably worse than this. No tests and no vaccinations at that point.

I didn't partake.

I agree. Total madness. The time for that - IF EVER - would have been when the pandemic is fully over. As it is it made things worse for the hospitality industry it was supposed to be trying to help!

I think it’s a really nice idea but can’t help feeling it might end rather nastily.

Hopefully all will be fine.

[quote Badbadbunny]**@RedcurrantPuff* Thing is these people berate everyone else as “selfish” but want things to continue as they are indefinitely because they are happy in lockdown and have no regard to the mental health and financial situation of people outside their own narrow sphere.*

Not at all. I want things to be back how they used to be. But not at the cost of risking yet more lockdowns/restrictions if things go wrong. If we'd not been as gung-ho last Summer, we may have avoided the repercussions (restrictions and lockdowns) that'll have done more harm than the "good" created by the Summer easings and the stupid eat out to spread covid scheme. Things need to be eased slowly and sensibly and easings reversed quicklyif cases rise.[/quote]
The easing is being done more slowly and sensibly than last summer though. Back then hospitality just opened up, indoors and out. Foreign holidays were permitted. And of course, the biggest difference is that we didn't have vaccines. Over 60% of people now have covid antibodies.

Comparing now to last summer is like comparing apples to oranges.

No I think it's a great idea

Surely it's a good thing. They will need to open eventually so it's good that they are trialing it now rather than just open house. I'm interested in the results, I hope they're positive

@Alonim

I think it’s a really nice idea but can’t help feeling it might end rather nastily.

Hopefully all will be fine.

Why would it end nastily?

Attendees had to provide a negative test and will be tested again. Most adults are vaccinated, including the most vulnerable. Over 60% of people have antibodies.

What sort of nastiness do you envisage?

@megletthesecond

Eat out to help out was probably worse than this. No tests and no vaccinations at that point.

I didn't partake.

Yep.

There's on average a one in 45,000 chance of contacting covid on a daily basis if unvaccinated. The odds are even tinier if vaccinated. LF tests should make it even smaller.
I agree with people who feel it's ridiculous that there are still so many restrictions on meeting family and friends with such tiny odds and I feel the govt is doggedly following dates rather than data. However, while these restrictions are in place is probably the best time for such trials.

I would like to see full follow up of everybody after this event. Why are we constantly doing things half arsedly?! but otherwise I think it's great it's gone ahead.

Do I think it's a mistake? Possibly.

Am I seethingly jealous I didn't go? Definitely .

I just don't understand how it can be considered a trial without mandatory follow-up testing.

They did 'before' testing but without 'after' results what will they base any conclusion on?

Attendees will be followed up as I understand it from reports, as they were in Madrid. That’s the point, to gather reliable data.

The problem is you can’t really make people test afterwards. You can do it before hand - no test no entry. But once people have had their gig or club and experience you really have no option but to rely on their good will.