Does anyone else think the trial club nights at Liverpool are a mistake?

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www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-56943652

Trial club nights 6000 people no masks or social distancing. You have to have had negative lateral test before attending and are 'encouraged' not compulsory for pcr test 5 days after.
I think this is too soon to be trialling large crowds when people can't even go in their mums house indoors

No I think it's a great idea. The follow up after 5 days will give everyone an idea of how gatherings can be safe. It's an experiment and we need to do things like this to see how it will work.

We do need to look at Chile, that despite high vaccination levels are having a spike in cases.

Also a reporter for CNN in India pointed out it was madness and said if we wanted an experiment then to look at India. The commentator also said it was nuts.

So waiting with baited breath!

@IloveJKRowling

If it was a proper experiment, they did PCR tests before and compulsory tests afterwards AND people isolated afterwards so no risk of onward transmission into community, then OK. They're not doing it properly so no.

We all saw the photos of the crowds outside in India, and we've seen what happened. It's irresponsible and lateral flow tests are very inaccurate.

India doesn't have the same extensive vaccine rollout as we do, there's heartbreaking poverty, malnutrition and their health service is not comparable to ours. Comparing the UK to India is like comparing apples and oranges.

+So it's 'likelihood' and 'estimates' based on a random sample. Doesn't fill me with confidence, especially as those attending the event are unlikely to have been vaccinated yet (unless the 6000 people include volunteers across all age groups ?)*

You do realise these estimates etc are done by professional statisticians? So this is part of the “following the science” that people have been such fans of over the last year.

The fact is that posters against this trial are also against nightclubs opening in June.
They were against schools re-opening and ships and hairdressers.
Same people on every thread saying everything is ‘too soo.’

And it’s silly to compare this to the mass gatherings on India.
They were much much bigger and included people from all age groups.
And then all those people went out into a world where there were no restrictions and no vaccinations and no testing.
That’s not what happened in Liverpool.

@IloveJKRowling

If it was a proper experiment, they did PCR tests before and compulsory tests afterwards AND people isolated afterwards so no risk of onward transmission into community, then OK. They're not doing it properly so no.

We all saw the photos of the crowds outside in India, and we've seen what happened. It's irresponsible and lateral flow tests are very inaccurate.

But in reality people wouldn't isolate after going to a huge event would they so community spread afterwards is also part of the trial.

We have already been told that cases will rise as more things open its inevitable the test is whether the case rises can be manageable both In society and within the NHS. There will unfortunately always be deaths from covid just as there is with other transmissible viruses.

We have to trial these events because of we don't we let a whole entertainment industry go down the pan .

But in reality people wouldn't isolate after going to a huge event would they so community spread afterwards is also part of the trial

Which is fine for those in the trial but the community didn’t agree to the trial and the risks presumably? If they isolated they would have picked up the cases without the community spread and got the data anyway re the event.

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=966287210849773

Not my scene at all these days but atmosphere looks incredible and the song is very fitting. Time to start living again

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

But in reality people wouldn't isolate after going to a huge event would they so community spread afterwards is also part of the trial

Which is fine for those in the trial but the community didn’t agree to the trial and the risks presumably? If they isolated they would have picked up the cases without the community spread and got the data anyway re the event.

Whether you agree or not these events are scheduled to happen in the coming months its best to trial them as close to what is likely to be reality before during and after the events

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

But in reality people wouldn't isolate after going to a huge event would they so community spread afterwards is also part of the trial

Which is fine for those in the trial but the community didn’t agree to the trial and the risks presumably? If they isolated they would have picked up the cases without the community spread and got the data anyway re the event.

It doesn’t matter whether you agree to the risk or not. I presume you didn’t agree to the risk of children going back to school either? Fact is, it’s not your decision to make.

If it was a proper experiment, they did PCR tests before and compulsory tests afterwards AND people isolated afterwards so no risk of onward transmission into community, then OK. They're not doing it properly so no
We all saw the photos of the crowds outside in India, and we've seen what happened. It's irresponsible and lateral flow tests are very inaccurate

All that would tell us is that people who don’t have Covid don’t give it to other people. How would that be helpful in terms of opening nightclubs?

And the powers that be in Liverpool must have agreed and they’re duly elected by the community.
You can’t overturn their decision because Brenda in Bootle thinks it’s ‘too soon.’

@Wellbythebloodyhell

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=966287210849773

Not my scene at all these days but atmosphere looks incredible and the song is very fitting. Time to start living again

Got quite emotional watching that. Just glorious.

@thevampireswife it gave me goosebumps too

@HelloMissus

And the powers that be in Liverpool must have agreed and they’re duly elected by the community. You can’t overturn their decision because Brenda in Bootle thinks it’s ‘too soon.’

From reading social media there's a big divide about this event from people in the country generally between those who think it's great to have a bit of normality back and those who think it's horrifying and disgraceful.

I don't know what the latter group are going to do next month when everything opens back up.

At the end of the day many peoples businesses and livelihoods depend on trials like this to be a success not just in Liverpool but across the country, presumably those horrified by it aren't affected in this way. The entertainment and tourism industries contribute masses to our economy its on everyone's interests for trials like this to happen and hopefully be successful

In 2 weeks time it'll be the Brit awards doing a similar thing in London..so not some weird Liverpool conspiracy lol.

It’s a great idea to test this now IMO. Then they can be sure about fully opening up.
They did the same in Spain not too long ago and the results were very positive. No discernible impact on CV spread.

@LetsGoFlyAKiteee

In 2 weeks time it'll be the Brit awards doing a similar thing in London..so not some weird Liverpool conspiracy lol.

It's just someone being idiotic saying that. The events have been well received in this city.

I think the city has just been used for this, due to the success of the first mass testing pilot last year.

To get back to any sense of normality, things like this will have to happen

If we start getting spikes again, it will be a case of learn from it and adapt

We are IMHO getting to the point of herd immunity and we will learn to live with CV19 like we do with flu

*It's just someone being idiotic saying that. The events have been well received in this city.

I think the city has just been used for this, due to the success of the first mass testing pilot last year*

That's it. It makes sense to do it there. Got to start somewhere! And nice for those who were able to go. Fingers crossed this all pays off and places can finally open.

I don't know what the latter group are going to do next month when everything opens back up

Get FOMO and join in, probably.

@HelloMissus

The fact is that posters against this trial are also against nightclubs opening in June. They were against schools re-opening and ships and hairdressers. Same people on every thread saying everything is ‘too soo.’

This isn't true . I'm all for shops, pubs opening with the right precautions but you can't generalise as I don't agree with how they have done this trial with too many variables then assume I want lockdown forever or things to remain closed

So OP, given this is a test to see how reopening next month will work in practice, when would you prefer a test to see if operating this way will create spreading events across the country? A week before? 2 weeks before?

If this doesn't work and they need a new system, how long do you think they'll need to change the plan, brief every indoor venue and get any new equipment/ systems set up and staff trained?

This gives them the 2 weeks after to see if numbers go up from this. Then if they do, still have time to come up with a plan B, then trial that.

I would accept just going in cold and reopening in June no matter what, but many others don't share my view of just getting on with it and would like some sort of evidence behind reopening to see it will be safe. This is evidence gathering.

@MargosKaftan

So OP, given this is a test to see how reopening next month will work in practice, when would you prefer a test to see if operating this way will create spreading events across the country? A week before? 2 weeks before?

If this doesn't work and they need a new system, how long do you think they'll need to change the plan, brief every indoor venue and get any new equipment/ systems set up and staff trained?

This gives them the 2 weeks after to see if numbers go up from this. Then if they do, still have time to come up with a plan B, then trial that.

I would accept just going in cold and reopening in June no matter what, but many others don't share my view of just getting on with it and would like some sort of evidence behind reopening to see it will be safe. This is evidence gathering.

My issue is that a compulsory PCR test isn't done after the event and also the attendees are free to mix with households and the general public after. There is no way of saying if they catch covid after the event it could be from the nightclub or from their household or shopping. It's not controlled enough