Does anyone else think the trial club nights at Liverpool are a mistake?

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www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-56943652

Trial club nights 6000 people no masks or social distancing. You have to have had negative lateral test before attending and are 'encouraged' not compulsory for pcr test 5 days after.
I think this is too soon to be trialling large crowds when people can't even go in their mums house indoors

I think it’s great, after all it’s a trial to get back to normal.

My university age sibling went. They’re in their second year of university and they’ve been locked down for most of that time. They’ve not had the usual university experience. They’ve had COVID twice and been required to self isolate due to housemates another two times. All our vulnerable family members have been vaccinated, except for me. I’m pregnant and not been invited for my vaccine yet. I’m more than happy not to see my sibling for some time if that means they can have a slice of normal life. Have a chance to be a 20 year old at university.

Again, it’s a trial. Before they rolled the vaccine out, they held trials. Before they allow mass gatherings to go ahead regardless, they are trialing it, gathering data. There may be some increase in community transmission but that provides lessons which can be applied when large gatherings go ahead again.

This is the generation least at risk, this is the generation that have statistically lost the most jobs and been effected by the isolation. Why can’t we just be happy for this generation to have a tiny slice of normal?

@SeaTurtles92

I think it's ridiculous. We still have restrictions yet 6000 people can go off and mingle whilst the rest of us muppets abide to the rules.

Absolute joke. Who's even to say that the test is even their own.

I have not read the full thread yet but did read the full article and wanted to point out that the tests were done at centres, not at home, even though they are only LFTs. So they can't be anybody else's.

A similar concert took place in Barcelona a month or so ago. The results were released this week. No evidence that out of the 3000 that were there any caught covid at the concert. Only 5 people tested positive after the event.

The lighting in that venue definitely a mistake

The follow up test is not compulsory because we can’t expect everyone to test themselves after every single activity they do this summer. It’s enough we’ll be testing before doing most of them.

But isn't the point that this was a trial to see what happens?

@TimeIsUp

The follow up test is not compulsory because we can’t expect everyone to test themselves after every single activity they do this summer. It’s enough we’ll be testing before doing most of them.

But isn't the point that this was a trial to see what happens?

I assume all these people's details were taken? I'm not sure how it works in the UK but for the event we did, the local public health authorities would've automatically alerted us if any of the attendees had tested positive in the 14 days after. If anyone got symptoms and went to get tested (which most reasonable people will do), wouldn't the event organisers be notified? That's how you know if something happens.

You could argue there could be asymptomatic transmission which people would be unaware of, but we all know this is much lower than symptomatic transmission. If there is a big increase in local rates due to this, it would also be very clear to the trial what happened.

In one of the videos, on the beat, confetti cannons went off and I genuinely got goosebumps and it took my breathe away.

It was the first time in over a year that I felt we were almost there. God, I hope we are almost there.

I think it's ridiculous. We still have restrictions yet 6000 people can go off and mingle whilst the rest of us muppets abide to the rules

I'm curious as to how you think these people, who were perfectly legally attending an official test event, were not abiding by the rules?

From Twitter Dr Alwan raises an excellent point: “We already know transmission occurs among unvaccinated people without mitigation. The bet is on the low prevalence of infection at that point in time which is clearly not applicable to events at different points in the timeline of community transmission. So what’s being tested?”

Oops missed attaching this

Not too soon. Good luck to everyone who attended. I hope they had a great time!

I'm on the fence it looks terrifying but it worked well in Barcelona. If the vaccine works happy days personally I think it is to early to throw caution to the wind, the rave was safer than the pub gardens packed without any testing.

@EmeraldShamrock
Barcelona had a different reliable procedure for their research.

medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-barcelona-concert-same-day-covid-screening.html

“ All 1,000 of the volunteers will also undergo two PCR tests, which have a higher capacity to detect the virus than the same-day antigen test, first on Saturday before the concert, and then again eight days later. Revollo said these PCR tests will allow him and his fellow investigators to determine if any infected people got past the same-day antigen screen and, if so, did they infect others inside the show.” including wearing a mask at the concert.
So our event “research” is not comparable to the Barcelona one as they followed up with their event attendees while we are “encouraging” the attendees to do a pcr test..

No one here is arguing that the Liverpool event didn’t look like heaps of fun, but they claim it’s for research purposes but this is not how a proper research is conducted.

@StylishMummy

The whole event is being run and monitored by scientists as a way to test mass testing at events. We need to get life back to normal ASAP. I'd end all measures tomorrow personally, but this is a very encouraging step to normality and I bet these people are so excited to be part of it!

Gyms have been open for weeks, sanitizer and cleaning of equipment before and after use but no masks.

The setting for this event is nothing like a real actual nightclub, so unsure about how this that be a blueprint for that industry. Perhaps for bigger outdoor or similar events but certainly not the ordinary sweaty unventilated bar/ nightclub we are used to.

Some industries have been decimated and these events, sports events and other live events are all trials to see if we can move on safely while other measures are still in place.

I love gigs/live events and I don’t want this industry to fail. I’m all for the trials and for safe returns to some normal. It looked amazing and everyone was having fun. Other countries are also running similar events. It’s less than two months before 21st June. Surely it’s wise to trial now?

This has been a hard year for us all, covid is awful and I’ve abided every restriction as needed, I’ve worked with covid patients. But we can’t be in lockdowns and restrictions forever: vaccines are working, hospitals aren’t full of covid patients anymore, cases low. Surely now is the time?? We won’t get zero covid cases unfortunately.

The comparisons with birth partners is a little silly. Complain to local CCGS/NHS England. It’s a completely different situation and set of protocols.

They are adults and know the risks, I personally think they are quite brave we can’t keep on as we are. My only concern is that it’s leading to a state vaccine passports which I strongly oppose.

I'd be interested what the vote would be for this if it was in AIBU.

I think it's a great idea. Some of these posts seem to be annoyed at people starting to get back to normal. Well it has to happen sometimes and this is a trial after all.

I saw clips on the news and it filled me with dread. Far too much, far too soon in my opinion.

I do think we slowly need to get back to some kind of normal again, but this just felt like too big a step.

While the rest of us are expected to social distance and not see our families. Joke.

I think it's great for science and the young people who get a chance to let their hair down.

Once all restrictions are lifted there are going to be people bitching about venues like gigs and nightclubs so it's good to have some data and time for the naysayers to get used to things like this coming back.

No one here is arguing that the Liverpool event didn’t look like heaps of fun, but they claim it’s for research purposes but this is not how a proper research is conducted.

I agree @CovidHalloween

Without wanting to become to conspiracytheoryish - what would be the motive for doing this other than research ... perhaps it's all above board but being done badly?

There's lots of this research going on in Liverpool - is that right? It's almost as if there's a wish to reduce the Liverpool population.

There are different types of research not all research is scientific.

I think it's fantastic

We need to be back to normal now

Huge mistake. Liverpool was an area with some of the highest cases.

These ppl were only negative on their test day . They could have been positive. Let alone no masks or distancing all the mouth to mouth would nicely spread Covid. Now we are reliant on them getting tested and isolating if there's any symptoms. This from one of the groups known for not isolating.

Would have made more sense to see how pubs go with indoor service.

I can't believe there was no spectators at the 6N and they do this.

BoJo and whoever else decided on this are beyond foolish.