Anyone feeling increasingly anxious about Pfizer?

[Doireallyneedaname]

With all the news re the AZ & J&J vaccines I can’t help but feel a sense of dread when checking the news.

I am starting to think it’s only a matter of time until something horrific comes out about the Pfizer vaccine (which I had)

What a strange time to be alive. Sometimes I still can’t believe this is all happening.

I'm not sure it is correct to say that there have been 1124 deaths FROM the Pfizer vaccine in the USA. 29% of those deaths were in people aged 80 to 89, who might well have died of "natural causes". At least one, I believe, died from being in a car accident.

No, still waiting for my 2nd one.

Nope, I'm happy with mine. Don't regret it, don't worry about it, and if the time came around again I'd still have it even knowing what I know now. Unfortunately there is always risk, and they are minimal when you consider the scale of everything.

@pinkearedcow

No-one knows what medium- to long-term effects could surface months or years down the road

But that is the case for any new medicine.

Yes, but not every new medicine is force fed to the entire world population in one go, after very minimal testing, and no knowledge of potential long term adverse effects.

What I object to is the attitude that anyone who has doubts or concerns about being forced into a vaccine that actually hasn't been rigorously checked on all sectors of the population (and pharmaceutical companies have decades of form on not testing medicines on women specifically, I might add, so this is very much an issue women should be concerned with, especially as most of the people experiencing blood clots are young women) - is either stupid, a conspiracy theorist, or selfish. It is not wrong to question or have concerns about a new medicine that - due to the very real threat of the pandemic - is perhaps being rolled out a bit too widely and a bit too quickly to genuinely have gone through enough of the usual protocols that would have been followed had we not been facing such a major world health emergency.

I'm in my early thirties, a very healthy weight, with no underlying health conditions. The risks of me catching coronavirus and being very ill are incredibly small. Infinitesimal. So for me personally, I don't see why I need to be injected with an undertested vaccine to protect me from a disease that poses very little risk to me in the first place. As far as I'm concerned, the vaccine poses more risk to me than the disease, because we have no real knowledge of how it will alter the body's response to future disease. It hasn't been around long enough for us to know this. So for me personally, I don't want to take the vaccine until I've seen longer term results. And frankly, the more vaccine that is being injected, the more adverse effects we're seeing. So I don't think anyone who has doubts or concerns is wrong for expressing these, and neither should they be shamed or ridiculed for doing so. If you feel the vaccine is right for you and you're happy to have it, great. But there's no need to sneer at people with questions or bully anyone into accepting medical treatment they're not comfortable with. It is not mental illness or health anxiety to look at the number of countries who are withdrawing the vaccine and stop and think - hang on, am I sure this vaccine is right for me?

Have you never seen a commercial for a medication in the US? They read out the side effects at the end. They almost always include death as a potential side effect.

@pinkearedcow

No-one knows what medium- to long-term effects could surface months or years down the road

But that is the case for any new medicine.

Exactly...but most medicines go through years of testing on smaller to larger groups of people, including control groups for comparison. We are basically running stage 3 trials on millions of our population at breakneck speed and with no control group whatsoever.

Whitty has said that covid is a mild illness for the majority of people, yet we are rolling out the vaccines in a way that suggests that a covid dianosis is a death-sentence or at the least, a sentence to end up in hospital on a ventilator. The public is being seriously psychologically manipulated into taking these experimental gene therapy products.

I had both doses of mine.
I know there is a small chance that it might cause issues much later on which nobody knows about yet... but thats life. Nothing is risk free. And the chance of something happening years down the line is really quite slim anyway.

@EnidSpyton what do you want to happen? How long do you think we need to wait until you deem the vaccines safe? And what should we do in the meantime? Just stay in constant lockdown? How else do you propose we get out of this?

The only reason these clots are being flagged is because of the sheer numbers of vaccines being administered. Most other medications don’t even get close to that many doses being given for side effects such as this to register.

Why do people keep using the getting in a car risk. It's not the same. Most of us Have to use our cars probably daily for us to function. We don't have to take the vaccine.

And I agree with Op on type of clots. We get the same old line about flying. This clot is rare. Rare Rare Rare. It is not your standard clot you get on a long haul flight. There is no comparison. None.

Everyone is entitled to feel the way they do, and access the risk for them.

Re the post above, I couldn't take it seriously after reading:

Yes, but not every new medicine is force fed to the entire world population in one go, after very minimal testing, and no knowledge of potential long term adverse effects

Nobody is being forced to take anything. (well, maybe in a few countries, but definitely not in the vast majority).

Most of us Have to use our cars probably daily for us to function.

Not according to all the sanctimonious people over on the SUV thread.

@JennyBond - I don't want anything to happen. I'm not saying people shouldn't get the vaccine. I'm just saying I personally am not happy to have it because I'm personally not convinced that my personal risk of coronavirus is any greater than my personal risk from an untested vaccine.

If I were older or unhealthier I'd probably feel differently and be happy to take the risk of the vaccine over the risk of severe illness from coronavirus.

But as a healthy early thirty something, I don't see that I need an untested vaccine to protect me from a disease that is very unlikely to cause me any harm.

My point is I don't appreciate the bullying tactics of people who are trying to shut down anyone who raises concerns or questions. If you want the vaccine and feel safe having it and it feels right for you, then great. But people who don't feel that way should have their decision respected rather than belittled. That's all I'm saying.

@ImAlrightThanx

Re the post above, I couldn't take it seriously after reading:

Yes, but not every new medicine is force fed to the entire world population in one go, after very minimal testing, and no knowledge of potential long term adverse effects

Nobody is being forced to take anything. (well, maybe in a few countries, but definitely not in the vast majority).

But we kind of are, though, aren't we. Look at this thread. The psychological manipulation behind the vaccine campaign is not exactly subtle, is it?

@Tootsey11 is your post about cars a joke? Do you really think the world doesn’t need this vaccine to function?

The entire world has been on pause. The world needs people to take the vaccine to function. The nhs (that everyone was out clapping like seals for) needs you to take this vaccine for it to function. Your post is pretty risible.

Btw, you probably don’t need a car to function. Get on a bus.

Op there will be findings about Pfizer. And they will likely be similar to Az. But you need to remember how tiny it is. And compare it to other medicines. The previous example being nurofen with the risk of stroke and heart attack, does it stop you taking them? Do you look at these risks for every medicine you take and not take them becayse of it?

@Doireallyneedaname

Right, let’s just clarify straight up that the clots with the vaccines are not “just clots” I’m so fed up of hearing that.

They’re potentially FATAL brain clots which are extremely dangerous and unusual in younger people normally.

Any clot left untreated has the potential to be fatal.

@Bluntness100 The neurofen thing keeps coming up.

Taking nurofen for a headache isn’t going to cause a stroke or a heart attack, especially in a healthy individual. It’s long term use of these types of medications that increase the risk and more so for those with heart disease etc.

It’s not the same as what we are seeing with these vaccines. The damage was done to otherwise young and healthy women after a single dose of a vaccine.

@pinkearedcow

I think you have to remember that what is happening is fairly normal in the life cycle of any new medicine. The difference is that there has never been a new medicine that has been rolled out so extensively to such a huge number of people in such a short space of time (at least I don't think there has?). So, side effects and deaths are happening in a concentrated time frame, instead of over several years.

For example, if the AZ vaccine had been given to 18 million people over a period of 5 years and there had been 19 deaths over those 5 years from blood clots, would you still be worried about the risk?

That is a very good point pinkearedcow. Hadn't really thought of it like that before. I've just re-read the advice sheet with DDs medication which she has to take every day. It's about a foot long and frankly terrifying to read. What would be even more terrifying is what would happen to DD if she didn't take it.

I’ve had both pfizer vaccines and so have my parents and sibling. We are all fine

Why do people keep using the getting in a car risk. It's not the same. Most of us Have to use our cars probably daily for us to function. We don't have to take the vaccine.

Barely anyone “has to use a car to function”.

Tbh I'm not that worried about the other 2.

So far the risk of clots after vaccine isn't higher than risk without it.

I have had the Oxford AZ. Glad I've had a jab tbh. I'm very unlikely to have this side effect but at least I'm.aware of it.

@JeanClaudeVanDammit

Why do people keep using the getting in a car risk. It's not the same. Most of us Have to use our cars probably daily for us to function. We don't have to take the vaccine.

Barely anyone “has to use a car to function”.

I use mine to get to work. Too far to walk and much more unsafe to cycle, no public transport. Clear benefit of £300 a week.

Yes, but not every new medicine is force fed to the entire world population in one go, after very minimal testing, and no knowledge of potential long term adverse effects.

Apart from my objection to the use of the term “force fed” since as far as I know the vaccination is entirely voluntary, how do you suggest we find out about long term side effects? Either stay in lockdown for several years or wait until even more people have died of Covid?

I use mine to get to work. Too far to walk and much more unsafe to cycle, no public transport. Clear benefit of £300 a week

But you could function without it, you’re just choosing not to (arguably for good reasons). We could all choose not to take the vaccines and continue living under lockdown forever but it would be shit.