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Now 79 cases of AZ-related blood clots in the U.K. and 19 deaths *title edited by MNHQ at OP's request*

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Boringlynormal · 07/04/2021 15:32

How have we gone - in the past 10 days - from:

5 cases - all men
To
30 cases, 7 deaths
To
79 cases and 19 deaths, 2/3 of them are women.

What the hell is going on?!

Yes I know it’s still low compared to overall number than have had the vaccine but that’s not reassuring when they don’t seem to have had a clue about the numbers and let us all continue getting the vaccine with no warning even when Europe was sounding huge alarm bells.

I’m 12 days post AZ, mid 30s and very upset.

OP posts:
Change45 · 07/04/2021 16:46

I want a vaccine more than ever. The time is coming when I will be expected to get back on trains and commute to London. No way do I want no protection from COVID / long COVID. I’m mid 30s. The numbers just don’t seem high enough to me for so many people to now be changing their minds. We’ll be back to square one at this rate.

Anonawoman · 07/04/2021 16:47

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This has been withdrawn at OP's request.

ASchuylerSister · 07/04/2021 16:47

Sorry they’re blurry but you should be able to see that it’s only when levels of Covid are very low that the risks of the vaccine outweighs the benefit to those under 30.

MadinMarch · 07/04/2021 16:48

I'm awaiting my second Astrazenaca jab, and much more concerned (and bitterly disappointed) that it isn't effective against the South African strain.

Gwenhwyfar · 07/04/2021 16:48

"Some people suffer serious harm and death from childbirth. Should women think, no better not take the risk?"

Well, some do and I do think it's a concern when talking of something like surrogacy where the woman goes through all that and doesn't even have a baby at the end of it.

Moondust001 · 07/04/2021 16:48

Erring. Erring. My God I can't believe I made up a word! Time to stop!

Useruseruserusee · 07/04/2021 16:48

I’m 35 and had the AZ vaccine a few weeks ago as I am a carer for my disabled son. I am not worried about having the second dose.

In the past I took the pill for over a decade which does raise risks of blood clots. The benefits of taking it outweighed the risks and it is the same for the Covid vaccine for me.

SoupDragon · 07/04/2021 16:48

79 people in the UK have had blood clots following their first Oxford-AstraZeneca jab up to the 31 March out of 20.2 million doses. 19 people have died. Therefore the current risk of dying from a blood clot after getting this vaccine is 0.0000009

What are the stats for clots normally?

NancyDrawed · 07/04/2021 16:49

@LookAChicken

Well a risk of four in a million wouldn't come up in a medical trial. This is a scientific response to evidence gathered.
I was going to say something similar, but in a much more wordy way!

This is the reason we have the yellow card reporting system for medicines - because of the possibility for reactions to be seen real world use that weren't seen in clinical trials.

IIRC there was a post a few days back from a someone who said she was a GP and who had seen two of these rare blot clot cases recently, both in patients who had tested positive for Covid, so it may be a case of you're damned if you do and damned if you don't - how would you know if you would be the person who would get the rare clot from the virus itself?

(I have had my first dose of AZ and was fine, but did feel a bit of relief at 20 days post vacc.)

toocold54 · 07/04/2021 16:49

@ASchuylerSister do you know what the terms low, medium and high exposure risks mean? If you say work in a hospital you have a high exposure risk if you work alone from hone you have a low exposure risk type thing?

Gwenhwyfar · 07/04/2021 16:49

@whatthedickens5

I have a very rare vein disease, in my early 40s and at far far greater risk than most to have clots. Had the Oxford vaccine 3 weeks ago and will be getting my second dose when the time comes. For me the risk of dying from Covid is still much higher than the clot worry. It's my personal feeling and everyone is free to make their choices they see fit but make sure you understand the risk before just disregarding the vaccine.
I think the press briefing said people in your situation should check with their doctors.
Original poster
Boringlynormal · 07/04/2021 16:50

Op were you watching the press briefing today? It might answer a lot of your issues.

Yes I did watch it. I didn’t feel reassured that this isn’t an emerging situation that we don’t know nearly enough about yet.

OP posts:
lightand · 07/04/2021 16:50

@Lazierdays

Gosh some people are losing perspective somewhat here. Pregnancy, the pill, long haul flights and Covid still all have a higher risk of clots than the AZ vaccine.
Well that's all right then Hmm
RaspberryCoulis · 07/04/2021 16:50

So the under 30s get Pfizer or Moderna and the over 30s get AZ, Pfizer or Moderna.

No big deal.

Parker231 · 07/04/2021 16:51

There are less deaths normally from blood clots than being reported as being linked to AZ. The risk of dying from Covid is higher than the risk from the vaccine.

I’ll be having my second AZ in a couple of weeks time.

Susie477 · 07/04/2021 16:52

Thanks for posting those slides, @ASchuylerSister.

For context, JVT said the ‘high exposure’ graph indicates the relative risk levels during the peak of a virus wave, as we had in January in the U.K. and is currently happening in France.

toocold54 · 07/04/2021 16:52

@SoupDragon

Now 79 cases of AZ-related blood clots in the U.K. and 19 deaths *title edited by MNHQ at OP's request*
mrsknottschicken · 07/04/2021 16:52

I sort of feel like they will use up all the AZ on the people in their 40s and 30s.

I’ll take whatever vax is offered but I’d rather not have AZ if I had a choice. 3 of my grandparents died of blood clot related issues.

ASchuylerSister · 07/04/2021 16:52

@toocold54 I think he said it was to do with the level of Covid in circulation - I remember him saying the moderate one is 60 cases per 100,000 which is higher than the average in the population at the moment but lower than some hot spots we have.

toocold54 · 07/04/2021 16:53

For context, JVT said the ‘high exposure’ graph indicates the relative risk levels during the peak of a virus wave, as we had in January in the U.K. and is currently happening in France.

Thanks a lot!

toocold54 · 07/04/2021 16:53

@ASchuylerSister Thank you!

Parker231 · 07/04/2021 16:54

Typo in my earlier post.

There are MORE deaths normally from blood clots than being reported as being linked to AZ. The risk of dying from Covid is higher than the risk from the vaccine.
I’ll be having my second AZ in a couple of weeks time.

Laytwir024 · 07/04/2021 16:55

I find it shocking that people in their 30s still don't realise what covid can do to them.

Skinnytailedsquirrel · 07/04/2021 16:55

Please remember that 2 out of a million people are killed every couple of weeks on the UK roads.

The vaccine doesn't only protect you. It's needed to protect everyone.

CovidPostingName · 07/04/2021 16:55

Any woman who's taken the pill for more than about five years has a greater chance of dying from a blood clot (admittedly of a different type, but dying nonetheless) than she does of dying from an AZ clot. I still think that on an overall basis, the vaccine risk of fat lower than the covid risk, and lower than many other medicine risks.