Now 79 cases of AZ-related blood clots in the U.K. and 19 deaths *title edited by MNHQ at OP's request*

[Boringlynormal]

How have we gone - in the past 10 days - from:

5 cases - all men
To
30 cases, 7 deaths
To
79 cases and 19 deaths, 2/3 of them are women.

What the hell is going on?!

Yes I know it’s still low compared to overall number than have had the vaccine but that’s not reassuring when they don’t seem to have had a clue about the numbers and let us all continue getting the vaccine with no warning even when Europe was sounding huge alarm bells.

I’m 12 days post AZ, mid 30s and very upset.

@Lazierdays

Gosh some people are losing perspective somewhat here. Pregnancy, the pill, long haul flights and Covid still all have a higher risk of clots than the AZ vaccine.

All of which I benefit from. Having the vaccine isn't a benefit for me, as I've already had COVID and wasn't ill or have long COVID.

One who got Pfizer died of brain bleed short afterwards. Any stories of Moderna yet?

Pregnancy, the pill, long haul flights and Covid still all have a higher risk of clots than the AZ vaccine.

Not the same kind of blood clot. At all.

If you're safely 12 days past your vaccination and still fine, there isn't any need to be "very upset".

2 of the people we know have had Covid have had blood clots on their lungs. And been incredibly unwell as a result.

It's a part of the Covid virus. You're at far less risk from the vaccine than the disease itself.

I assume the trials used second doses, so it wasn't a common reaction then.

Having the vaccine isn't a benefit for me, as I've already had COVID and wasn't ill or have long COVID.

It will give you longer immunity that simply having had Covid will give.

I'm just hoping the second dose of AZ won't give me horrendous side effects.

Why are some posters on here so surprised that people have lost perception of risk? For over a year we’ve been held in various stages of imprisonment for a virus with an average age of death above the average life expectancy and which is survived by 99% of practically everyone under that? The well mastered fear campaign may be unravelling - GOOD!

I'll try and explain a bit more. And yes, there likely is a sense of a loss of perspective but it comes of the back of the horrific year we've all had and then there was the carrot dangled of the vaccine, the way out and suddenly I feel like it's not that simple and suddenly that dream to get away from this despair has gone pop. Yes that's melodramatic but I don't know what to do apart from cry.

I'm sorry I can't explain it rationally, it isn't rational. I know that.

@mollypuss1 you can’t apply logic and reasoning here soz, that’s so 2019.

Someone earlier mentioned long haul flights. It is often recommended that one take an aspirin an hour before a long haul flight, which last time I flew long haul, I did, as I know someone (male), who did develop DVT after a long haul flight.
Has this been suggested at all, or is it a different type of blood clot.
How does the incidence compare to taking the contraceptive pill, which can occassionally also cause problems.

@Boringlynormal

Pregnancy, the pill, long haul flights and Covid still all have a higher risk of clots than the AZ vaccine.

Not the same kind of blood clot. At all.

So what? They are still linked to types of blood clots that can be fatal. Every medicine we take involves a risk/benefit analysis. Covid can also cause blood clots which needs to be factored into this assessment. It's a moot point for you anyway because you were vaccinated 12 days ago and haven't had a blood clot, so are even more likely to be absolutely fine than you were anyway.

You do sound disproportionately anxious though OP. I think you are alarmist as you have started other threads like this. Its like whipping up a frenzy of more anxiety on top of anxiety.

Relatively the risk is low. You have no symptoms. Stop with the posts you are not helping anybody, least not yourself.

patient.info/news-and-features/astrazeneca-vaccine-is-it-safe-and-does-it-cause-blood-clots

The well mastered fear campaign may be unravelling - GOOD!

The well mastered fear campaign may finally be unraveling - GOOD!

Fixed that for ya months too late but the tide seems to be starting to turn.

Surprise surprise. and anyone that didn’t want the vaccine was absolutely ripped the shreds on MN, this is what happens when you rush into things.

Yes the rate of hospitalisation is plunging.

@mollypuss1

This is getting ridiculous now. Why have so many people lost all perspective of risk?

79 people in the UK have had blood clots following their first Oxford-AstraZeneca jab up to the 31 March out of 20.2 million doses. 19 people have died. Therefore the current risk of dying from a blood clot after getting this vaccine is 0.0000009

We need to be aware of this risk but the fear demonstrated by some on here is completely out of proportion.

I'm with you.

There is more chance of getting blood clots and dying from contaception pills. Many women still take them.

Cars kill a lot more people each year, but people still drive and children still play out near roads.

Paracetamol kills people inadvertently.

Some people suffer serious harm and death from childbirth. Should women think, no better not take the risk?

So mumsnetters, please get a grip!

I’m not sorry for starting threads about something so important. If anything the determination of people to ignore a rapidly developing situation makes me more confident we should be speaking about it.

I have a very rare vein disease, in my early 40s and at far far greater risk than most to have clots. Had the Oxford vaccine 3 weeks ago and will be getting my second dose when the time comes. For me the risk of dying from Covid is still much higher than the clot worry. It's my personal feeling and everyone is free to make their choices they see fit but make sure you understand the risk before just disregarding the vaccine.

@Boringlynormal

They really don’t know if second doses are any safer as not many younger people have had them. I’ll sit tight and see what emerges but at the moment I wouldn’t have a second dose.

It’s the escalation that concerns me. It’s safe, LESS risk of ‘blood clots’ than in the general population about 2 weeks ago and then in a very short time it’s 79 cases, 19 deaths and a probable link but they don’t know why. I just don’t trust that that means they’re now up to speed with what the fuck is going on. What else don’t they know? What’s going to emerge next? How many more deaths till it’s banned for under 40s? Etc.

I’m not trying to be alarmist but I am alarmed. Oh for a time machine back 12 days to not get this vaccine.

You are trying to be alarmist and you’ve lost all perspective.

It’s a shame we don’t have a time machine, then your vaccine could be given to someone who desperately wants it because they understand the risk of death or serious illness is a hell of a lot higher from catching Covid than it is from this vaccine.

If you're safely 12 days past your vaccination and still fine, there isn't any need to be "very upset".

Well, side effects have happened in the 2 weeks post vaccination so I’m actually still within that, and in other countries they’ve said it’s a danger up to 20 days. That aside, I’m fully entitled to be upset that I agreed to something based on deep trust in science and now the scientists are saying ‘Oh look, 19 deaths, gosh no idea why that’s happened’. It makes me wonder what else they don’t know.

I'm just hoping the second dose of AZ won't give me horrendous side effects.

The first one will give you the strongest side effects. The second will give you less or no side effects depending on how your body reacted to the first.

They are saying if you develop a blood clot within the first 2 weeks of your first vaccine to not have the second vaccine.

@Grumpylate20s

I'm just hoping the second dose of AZ won't give me horrendous side effects.

Hearsay is that side effects if any are experienced with the first dose of AstraZeneca and with the second Phizer dose.