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Now 79 cases of AZ-related blood clots in the U.K. and 19 deaths *title edited by MNHQ at OP's request*

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Boringlynormal · 07/04/2021 15:32

How have we gone - in the past 10 days - from:

5 cases - all men
To
30 cases, 7 deaths
To
79 cases and 19 deaths, 2/3 of them are women.

What the hell is going on?!

Yes I know it’s still low compared to overall number than have had the vaccine but that’s not reassuring when they don’t seem to have had a clue about the numbers and let us all continue getting the vaccine with no warning even when Europe was sounding huge alarm bells.

I’m 12 days post AZ, mid 30s and very upset.

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cassgate · 07/04/2021 15:52

@Noname99

I’m not ‘young’ .... in my 40s and supposed to be having the vaccine next week. But if it’s AZ, I shall be saying no. Much rather take my chances with covid .... I have no risk factors for covid so very likely it’s going to be a mild infection for me. Mild cough/cold type symptoms vs blood clot on the brain .... easy choice as far as I’m concerned!
Did you listen to the conference. Your risk of getting a blood clot from covid is far higher than from the vaccine. Your risk of death from covid is far higher than it is from getting the vaccine.
StapMe · 07/04/2021 15:53

We are older. I've had the Pfizer and my other half the AstraZeneca, and are awaiting second doses. We will be having second doses when called. And if there's a problem with Pfizer supplies, they can start me all over again on any vaccine they like. The risk of covid itself far, far outweighs the risk of the vaccines for us.
I am worried that the uptake of vaccines will fall, even though they are perfectly safe for the majority, and thus we won't get the herd immunity we are after.

AllThatFancyPaintsAsFair · 07/04/2021 15:54

@rainbowunicorn

If some of you bothered to actually go and watch the press briefing rather than jumping up and down on here all these questions would be answered.
Exactly

They have presented a lot of statistical data and it's not necessarily easy to understand but rather than listen to armchair virologists much better to listen to the actual experts who know what they are talking about.

HJ40 · 07/04/2021 15:55

I'm listening to it now. I wish one of the journos would ask if they'd stop it for all under 50s if they had sufficient quantities of an alternative.

I'm 42 and feeling thrown under a bus.

stevematekatemate · 07/04/2021 15:57

@rainbowunicorn

If some of you bothered to actually go and watch the press briefing rather than jumping up and down on here all these questions would be answered.
Not everyone has a platform to actually watch live or right at this very minute.
AllThatFancyPaintsAsFair · 07/04/2021 15:57

@Noname99

I’m not ‘young’ .... in my 40s and supposed to be having the vaccine next week. But if it’s AZ, I shall be saying no. Much rather take my chances with covid .... I have no risk factors for covid so very likely it’s going to be a mild infection for me. Mild cough/cold type symptoms vs blood clot on the brain .... easy choice as far as I’m concerned!
I don't think you understand, that's not how covid works

I know of someone in her 40s with no health issues at all who died of covid a couple of weeks ago. Whilst for many/most it might be mild please don't assume you'd get off lightly if you did catch it.

HarrietOh · 07/04/2021 15:59

I'm early 30s, I've had COVID and only had a headache. It feels like I'm now almost putting myself at risk to have the vaccine... when I know COVID didn't really make me ill.

BigWoollyJumpers · 07/04/2021 16:00

@HJ40

I'm listening to it now. I wish one of the journos would ask if they'd stop it for all under 50s if they had sufficient quantities of an alternative.

I'm 42 and feeling thrown under a bus.

If a journo asked this they would repeat all the data they have already given to explain the risk/benefit analysis against age profile.

At 42, you are at more risk of dying and/or having complications from Covid. You haven't been thrown under a bus.

BigWoollyJumpers · 07/04/2021 16:02

Third time of posting this today, but an interesting read with regards to being young, and the effects of long Covid, inc. blood clots on her lungs.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-56602894

mollypuss1 · 07/04/2021 16:06

This is getting ridiculous now. Why have so many people lost all perspective of risk?

79 people in the UK have had blood clots following their first Oxford-AstraZeneca jab up to the 31 March out of 20.2 million doses. 19 people have died. Therefore the current risk of dying from a blood clot after getting this vaccine is 0.0000009

We need to be aware of this risk but the fear demonstrated by some on here is completely out of proportion.

howmanyhats · 07/04/2021 16:08

I've had the Astrazenica and I'll be happy to take my second. The risk of blot clots is low. I don't fancy my chances with covid. One of the Dads of a child in DD's class died from it, and a friend in her 40s has long covid and it doesn't look like much fun! I'm in group 6 for 2 reasons, neither of them something you'd consider major in day to day life.

YogaLite · 07/04/2021 16:08

Well, we knew it was a large scale experiment right from the start ...

HJ40 · 07/04/2021 16:09

@BigWoollyJumpers I understand what's been presented in the data and I understand the relative risks. However, if you had the choice of Pfizer or AZ, who now would choose AZ? Which is why in this middle ground age group, I feel let down. I feel at the mercy of the quantities of vaccines available.

HolmeH · 07/04/2021 16:10

Bore off @YogaLite

RoomForPud · 07/04/2021 16:12

I’ll be honest I’m regretting getting mine now. I’m 34 so slightly over the new cut off. I’ve had daily mild headaches and feel constantly exhausted since having my first dose 3 weeks ago. Hopefully not related but makes me wonder.

LookAChicken · 07/04/2021 16:13

Tbf the press briefing was clear to me. Had my first this week. I'm still happy enough to have a second dose.
But I know to watch out for some rare symptoms from day 4 onwards.

HolmeH · 07/04/2021 16:13

I’ll have whichever vaccine is offered to be honest @HJ40 .. I’m 31, right at the cut off. I doubt the risk between me & a 29 year old is much different. But if AZ is what’s available, I’ll take it. The risk is absolutely tiny. You have far far more risk getting on a plane for your holiday to Spain.. I feel like we’ve lost all sense of perspective 😫

Canigooutyet · 07/04/2021 16:14

Have searched for the answer. Have asked the question on other threads.

It's my understanding that with the vaccination you can still get CV on a milder level which does help to reduce hospital stay and of course deaths.

However if you still get the virus after vaccination what about Long Covid?

Halloweenrainbow · 07/04/2021 16:14

Could this be more political game playing? Export the AZ as per contract whilst keeping face by spinning it as unsuitable for the younger ones anyway ?

LookAChicken · 07/04/2021 16:16

No.

HJ40 · 07/04/2021 16:18

No, I would not think politics.

Lazierdays · 07/04/2021 16:18

Gosh some people are losing perspective somewhat here.
Pregnancy, the pill, long haul flights and Covid still all have a higher risk of clots than the AZ vaccine.

Rukaya · 07/04/2021 16:19

Interestingly Europe have said to keep vaccinating.. we are being more cautious. They’ve undertaken a big review and I imagine it takes time to obtain a full data set from all hospitals

A few weeks ago there were multiple threads of loons screeching about how The EU was lying about AZ and scoring political points just to make the UK look bad...where are they now, I wonder?

Username198 · 07/04/2021 16:21

People have probably lost perspective because for the past 12 months have been inundated with news stories designed to scare them into thinking the very small % chance of them dying of covid is something to be terrified about. Only natural people will apply the same logic to the vaccine.

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Boringlynormal · 07/04/2021 16:21

They really don’t know if second doses are any safer as not many younger people have had them. I’ll sit tight and see what emerges but at the moment I wouldn’t have a second dose.

It’s the escalation that concerns me. It’s safe, LESS risk of ‘blood clots’ than in the general population about 2 weeks ago and then in a very short time it’s 79 cases, 19 deaths and a probable link but they don’t know why. I just don’t trust that that means they’re now up to speed with what the fuck is going on. What else don’t they know? What’s going to emerge next? How many more deaths till it’s banned for under 40s? Etc.

I’m not trying to be alarmist but I am alarmed. Oh for a time machine back 12 days to not get this vaccine.

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