Now 79 cases of AZ-related blood clots in the U.K. and 19 deaths *title edited by MNHQ at OP's request*

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How have we gone - in the past 10 days - from:

5 cases - all men
To
30 cases, 7 deaths
To
79 cases and 19 deaths, 2/3 of them are women.

What the hell is going on?!

Yes I know it’s still low compared to overall number than have had the vaccine but that’s not reassuring when they don’t seem to have had a clue about the numbers and let us all continue getting the vaccine with no warning even when Europe was sounding huge alarm bells.

I’m 12 days post AZ, mid 30s and very upset.

Maternal death in the UK is about 1 in 10,000 (sadly in Africa that is 1 in 100 women). It is crazy that a lot of people on here happily have babies but are now refusing this vaccine. I find it very worrying.

It is crazy that a lot of people on here happily have babies but are now refusing this vaccine. I find it very worrying

Not really the same though is it.

I think and worry about the risks of everything! It’s not my best quality.

It is crazy that a lot of people on here happily have babies but are now refusing this vaccine. I find it very worrying

It us not crazy at all so long as they have made an informed choice as to what to do. We still have bodily autonomy in this country

Let’s change your sentence a bit. It’s crazy that women have abortions when there are lots of families who would like to adopt children. Let’s encourage women to have babies they don’t want and out them up for adoption. That would be a kind and altruistic thing to do and would benefit society as a whole - even if the mother doesn’t want to have a baby and there is risk to her in doing so

DT’s are 21 - happy to have the AZ if others don’t want it.

@Parker231

DT’s are 21 - happy to have the AZ if others don’t want it.

DD is 23 and also happy to have it. She is a STEM grad, and works with pharma companies on the developement of treatments for rare diseases. She is willing to accept the small risk, in light of everything she knows about various treatments and side effects.

Decided to yellow card the AZ, 5 weeks on from 1st dose & I have low level but persistent headaches.

I had (slightly) low blood platelets the last time I had a full blood count 2 years ago.

Just filled in an e-consult request with the GP, I’m taking no chances. Better to overreact & it be nothing major than to react too late to something that could indeed be major.

I have teenagers and I don't think they need a vaccine, tbh. Their risk is incredibly low from covid, and they have no additional risk factors. They don't have the flu vaccine either.

Covid is so incredibly strongly related to age, I'm just over 50 so in the category where the benefits outweigh the risks.

I'm going for the second AZ when I'm allowed, as I'm not convinced that any of the vaccines are completely safe- they all seem to have different risk profiles (Pfizer allergies, J and J has had some severe reactions), and I'm not ready to mix and match just yet.

I have had the Pfizer and am grateful for it but would think twice about the Az.

I am 47, no risk factors, not on the OCP (DH vasectomy) and live in Australia where there next to no community spread of COVID.

When reports first came out about the rare type of clotting happening after the AZ which was associated with thrombocytopenia it seemed unlikely due to chance or statistical blip, in spite of people calling doubters stupid.

For me, clotting risks currently associated with the vaccine are higher than the chances of getting coronavirus. I do feel like they were initially downplayed and I don’t like feeling patronised by the “women are at risk of clots because of xyz and they just accept them so it’s hypocritical to complain now” argument.

I’m pleased to have received the Pfizer though

I also have teenage DDs with no underlying health issues and remain unconvinced that the risk of any of the Covid vaccines outweighs the statistical benefit to them.

I question anyone who suggests my DC should be having a medical intervention for some as yet unknowable perceived societal benefit because the suggestion that they would risk their health for me let alone anyone else is bizarre.

Sempre - my DT’s are 21 so will decide for themselves whether to have the vaccine. They have both said they want it asap to protect themselves and those around them in the same way as the other vaccinations they have previously.

Sempre - my DT’s are 21 so will decide for themselves whether to have the vaccine. They have both said they want it asap to protect themselves and those around them in the same way as the other vaccinations they have previously.

That’s great - that’s how healthcare should work. Individuals making informed decisions for themselves. Part of the discussion should, of course, be to highlight to them that a covid vaccination shouldn’t be viewed in the same light as as - say - a MMR vaccination as there is no question that the risk of not having an MMR versus contracting the disease and the outcomes is greater than having the vaccination.

Will they pay to have themselves vaccinated for flu going forward to ensure that the public are protected from that too? Plus, there is a greater risk of an adverse outcome from them if they contract flu. Something to think about for the future

Gobbo - they pay for the flu vaccination - Uni students so easy to catch everything if you’re not careful. DH is a GP so no shortage of information for DT’s to review.

Mine are under 30 and physically healthy. They asked me if I mind they don't have it. Free choice and all that of course I dont.

it's their body and their choice.

Some of the hysteria is ridiculous if the name calling and coercion came from a partner people would be told to run for the ducking hills. Yet we are supposed to just accept that we are solely responsible for killing people, blamed if some random persons partner dies because of others taking up medical slots and goodness knows what other ridiculous guilt trips are put on people.

Why is it that other vaccinations you say cannot have it medically, aside from a couple of nutjob militants, the majority accept it and move on. With this you are subjected to often abusive language, demands to know reasons why, and told to take the risk citing other random medication, car journeys and a plethora of other irrelevant things.

Gobbo - they pay for the flu vaccination - Uni students so easy to catch everything if you’re not careful. DH is a GP so no shortage of information for DT’s to review.

Hopefully one of the outcomes of this will be free flu vaccinations for all.

DD also has the flu vaccine every year, and in the work she does, taking available vaccinations is something they do automatically.

I suppose she was also somewhat influenced by herself, and all of her friends having Covid last year, some pretty badly. Most of her friends are also junior medics, and were working on Covid wards. Three grandparents died, two of Covid, one of lack of hospital care due to Cvid.
I suppose your assessment of risk is also very much influenced by life experiences.

@ItsSnowJokes

Maternal death in the UK is about 1 in 10,000 (sadly in Africa that is 1 in 100 women). It is crazy that a lot of people on here happily have babies but are now refusing this vaccine. I find it very worrying.

People are evaluating the cost and benefit though aren't they. Everyone knows pregnancy and childbirth are risky, but for many people it's worth the risk.