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People are going to start feeling a bit silly

462 replies

LemonSherbetFancies · 05/04/2021 13:20

So many talking about how this is the great reset, how this doesn't stop until we say it does and how we are never coming out of lockdown etc.
Think they are going to feel a bit stupid over the coming weeks!

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blueangel19 · 08/04/2021 18:40

No sympathy for anyone who has elections on May 6th and votes Tory. Make your feelings known through the ballot box.

I will say not sympathy for Londoners voting for Sadiq Khan.

Pierslovesmeghan · 08/04/2021 18:54

@user1471543094 Can you explain about the currency please?

user1471543094 · 08/04/2021 19:00

[quote Pierslovesmeghan]@user1471543094 Can you explain about the currency please?[/quote]
I'm afraid I don't really know. All my info is from a family member, but it is difficult to discuss with them.

Basically hyper inflation, currency collapses, savings wiped out, houses lost etc.
I am obviously paraphrasing massively.

CrankyFrankie · 08/04/2021 19:51

Conspiracy theorists have been stashing gold for time immemorial.

CrankyFrankie · 08/04/2021 19:54

Is it to do with negative interest rates? The Bank of England was making alarming noises about this even pre-covid.

btwwhichonespink · 08/04/2021 20:09

@CrankyFrankie

Is it to do with negative interest rates? The Bank of England was making alarming noises about this even pre-covid.
Yes partly -ve interest rates, possibility of government stopping you removing savings from the bank in a crisis, hyperinflation (lots of noise about rising inflation from people like Michael Burry).

Actually Warren Buffet liquidated a vast amount of stocks (inc. aviation at the start of covid!) and invested in gold. He has been adamant his whole life you can keep your stocks and always recover over the long term so people took that as a significant warning. He isn't exactly your typical 'flight to gold' investor.

You do have to wonder why the government haven't worried too much about blowing hundreds of billions of pounds on Covid, much of it wasted. Almost as if the amount won't matter afterwards.......

Pierslovesmeghan · 08/04/2021 20:12

@btwwhichonespink Yes, it’s very strange

noblegiraffe · 08/04/2021 20:14

Warren Buffett is 90 so maybe he’s thinking he can’t have a long term view on this?

user1471543094 · 08/04/2021 20:18

The government spending has been ridiculous and often totally uncalled for. £500 payments for tax credit recipients? Why?!

I would be an anxious sort and so really cannot bring myself at times to really get into the proper discussions as I would never sleep, but the further we go, the more convinced I am there is something to Family Members proclamations.

btwwhichonespink · 08/04/2021 20:19

His investments are through a company rather than personal holdings. Even at 90 his goal will be the long term health of the firm that will outlive him.

user1471543094 · 08/04/2021 20:20

What happens to debt the Great Reset theory?

DenisetheMenace · 08/04/2021 20:30

dividedwefall

Now they have paused the AZ vaccine trial in children and are probably going to ban it for the under 30s. And we're called all the names under the sun for saying this was an experimental vaccine and they didn't know the long (or short, for that matter) side effects.

And still the government are telling people to go and get it anyway.“

One in a million chance of a clot. Quick google suggests annual 1 in 20,000 chance of dying in an rta, lifetime risk 1 in 240, in UK. People don’t think twice about using the roads 🤷‍♀️

MercyBooth · 08/04/2021 21:13

They are going to have a very hard time refusing overweight women the Pill after this.

MercyBooth · 08/04/2021 21:16

@blueangel19

You mean the man who sees us as biohazards/ATM machines.

graziadaily.co.uk/fashion/shopping/sadiq-khan-interview-susie-lau-shops-2/

MercyBooth · 08/04/2021 21:19

@BonnieDundee @btwwhichonespink

twitter.com/SonicDalek/status/1380120444234252289?s=20

TimeyWimey
@SonicDalek
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Here's where BoJo has been this morning. Truro...in a Café! No social distancing, no masks, more than two households, indoors! One rule for us and one for him! Photos were quickly removed from the FB page which posted them. Why was that?

blueangel19 · 08/04/2021 21:49

@ all MercyBooth Sadiq Khan is a waste of space which unfortunately reflects the sorry state that London is today.

Bobbiebigbum · 09/04/2021 14:17

Next it will be... Sorry we've got into too much debt over covid. We need massively high inheritance tax so your children can inherit much of your hard earned gains any more....

TheReluctantPhoenix · 09/04/2021 14:54

@Bobbiebigbum,

Inheritance tax seems a good way for the state to raise money. What is your issue with it?

As you say it is your 'hard earned gains', not your children's.

I would much prefer that than higher income tax or VAT.

However, many get really upset about high inheritance tax levels, so it is highly unlikely they will go much above the current 40%, certainly not under a conservative government.

btwwhichonespink · 09/04/2021 14:58

Maybe because usually the money has already been taxed on being earned.

bumbleymummy · 09/04/2021 15:00

I’d rather our children had our ‘hard earned gains’ than the government given the crap they they have been throwing money away on.

TheReluctantPhoenix · 09/04/2021 15:03

@btwwhichonespink,

'Yes partly -ve interest rates, possibility of government stopping you removing savings from the bank in a crisis, hyperinflation (lots of noise about rising inflation from people like Michael Burry).

Actually Warren Buffet liquidated a vast amount of stocks (inc. aviation at the start of covid!) and invested in gold. He has been adamant his whole life you can keep your stocks and always recover over the long term so people took that as a significant warning. He isn't exactly your typical 'flight to gold' investor.

You do have to wonder why the government haven't worried too much about blowing hundreds of billions of pounds on Covid, much of it wasted. Almost as if the amount won't matter afterwards.'

Warren Buffett bought about $560 million of a gold stock, which sounds a lot, until you realise that is less than 0.25% of the Berkshire Hathaway portfolio. He has already liquidated this investment.

In the UK, interest rates are set by the BOE independently, trying to achieve an inflation rate set by the government, which currently sits at 2% and is very unlikely to change.

If we did get inflation, which I suspect we might, the BOE would be forced to counter it by raising interest rates, with fairly catastrophic effects on the housing market and the economy.

We got here by not including asset prices (such as housing) within the inflation target. So, when there is low inflation and interest rates, people are happier to accept lower returns and so stocks and houses look comparatively cheap. We are in a bind now, though, as when interest rates rise (as they will) we could see a catastrophic sell off.

What won't happen is an acceptance of inflation with no monetary policy lean against it.

So. no 'great reset' (at least in the terms it is mostly used here) or deliberate hyperflation, just an inertia to counter rising asset prices by those who benefit from them.

TheReluctantPhoenix · 09/04/2021 15:08

@btwwhichonespink,

All taxes bar income tax are 'double taxes'. VAT, which disproportionately affects the poorest, is also levied on post earnings income, as is stamp duty, capital gains tax (the assets were bought out of post taxed income) and all the other many little taxes that we all pay.

I am not a massive fan of dynastic capitalism. Of course, I want to leave something to my children, but having the ability to give them the education and means to support themselves is far more important to me. If I have to be taxed at a high rate, after I am dead is my preference.

Xenia · 09/04/2021 15:14

Less tax all round would be even better. I try to spread it around the children and now not when I am 80 with 7 years to go so if something happens to one of us at least my money is already given away to an extent.

btwwhichonespink · 09/04/2021 15:22

The hyperinflation would never, ever be deliberate and that was never proposed here by any poster. Even post ww2 when debt was inflated away it was never deliberately excessive.

Hyperinflation is starvation, third world conditions, no investment, no hope. But it can be caused by QE, which we have seen on an eye watering scale this past year. Raising interest rates and taxes would be the only solution, which is impossible in a crippled economy with no small businesses or employment left in the covid wasteland.

Contrary to this vision of doom, the Great Rest book predicts that western countries like the UK and USA are more likely to find themselves in a stagflationary death cycle akin to Japan's Lost Decade. No, I don't understand the rationale behind this. All the traditional indicators are to inflation, hyper or otherwise.

Most worrying of all is the complete disconnect between the economy and the reality on the ground. The stock market, crypto and metal prices are booming. Traditional commodities are plummeting. Unemployment is growing but very slowly as a result of furlough and business support schemes. People are shopping and saving like mad on this money that is circulating even though much of the economy has been shut down for the best part of a year. Just weird.

Northernsoulgirl45 · 09/04/2021 17:16

The latest I saw in an online comment thread is that they are giving older and vulnerable Oxford vaccine as they want to kill them off and the younger are getting the one with the microchip in so they can keep tabs on them. Crazy
The Grest Reset is kind if a thing but not as sinister as conspiracy theorists think.