People are going to start feeling a bit silly

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So many talking about how this is the great reset, how this doesn't stop until we say it does and how we are never coming out of lockdown etc.
Think they are going to feel a bit stupid over the coming weeks!

@savethegrannies - I don’t entirely disagree with your assessment but I am also wary that concerns are being hijacked in ways that are also serving agendas. I actually believe that some of these campaigns have snowballed out of control.

What do you mean the evidence of a vaccine is being ‘digitalised’? Do you mean it is stored in binary digits on a computer, just like everything else these days? Did you want them to have an old fashioned filing system from the 1970s?

Is this really the issue (to the original poster with these 'concerns') or is the bigger issue how our data is handled courtesy of emergency measures due to the pandemic, which is unleashing the protocols in place that currently safeguard patient data and releasing our patient data (so well firewalled and established over years and years within the NHS) to outside sources. This is happening today. Your local authority- specifically social services- will now have access to everyone's data (not just at-risk patients' but everyone's) to see who has had and who has not had their vaccine yet. This is in an effort to tackle areas of low vaccine uptake. The problem is less the sharing of data and more the risk of that data being mishandled. The current protocols used by the NHS to share data securely are not going to be implemented by the time local authorities have access to this patient data simply because their own systems are not up to standard yet. They may be down the line but as if this minute, they are not. The problem is, this minute, your personal data is being handed over to them. And you don't know this. You have had no letter telling you this and you have not been asked permission or even told what aspect of your data is being shared with local authorities courtesy of the vaccine/pandemic. LA databases are not nearly as sophisticated as the ones used within the NHS. And your GP has no say in this. They cannot and you cannot refuse access to your data in this case because, under emergency measures (like a pandemic), you have lost that right. So... here we are. Nothing conspiratorial is happening here. But an erosion of our rights and privacy is. And I think that is disturbing.

I’ve reported your post, tormentil because I don’t think Mumsnet should allow videos about satanic Jewish cults secretly ruling the world.

But I hope @dividedwefall understands what I meant now when I said to watch out for the antisemitism that is inevitably found behind the theory she posted.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@tiredofitall99,

What do you mean the evidence of a vaccine is being ‘digitalised’?

Do you mean it is stored in binary digits on a computer, just like everything else these days? Did you want them to have an old fashioned filing system from the 1970s?[/quote]
Yes I'm a bit confused by this too, I've has various booster vaccines in the past few years and info about all of them has gone onto my electronic record. Everything related to my health for the past who knows how many years is digitalised.

[quote Pensionista]@DdraigGoch....Oh okay, what medical 'facts' and that sort of thing do you have ? Never mind, I'm sure a world renound and respected Lawyer didn't do any research and get any medical 'facts' and that sort of thing to use in one of the biggest trials of the century.[/quote]
Fuellmich claims:
"The probability that a positive test result is false positive is between 89-94% or almost certain"

The Lancet on the other hand says 0.8-4.0%
www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext

If I want to know about the law, I'll ask a lawyer. If I want to know about science, I'll ask a scientist. For a "world renound [sic]" lawyer, I can't really find much in the way of reputable references when I search for his name.

Yes I'm a bit confused by this too, I've has various booster vaccines in the past few years and info about all of them has gone onto my electronic record. Everything related to my health for the past who knows how many years is digitalised.

But that record has not been shared outside the NHS without your consent. That is about to change.

False positive rates depend on whether you’re looking at how many false positives you get per test administered (very low) or if you’ve got a positive test and want to know the probability that it’s a true positive or a false positive - this varies according to the local infection rates at the time. If the infection rate is v low then the chance of getting a false positive is low, but the chance of getting a true positive is also low, so if you’ve got a positive, it could be either - this is particularly an issue with LFTs as they are taken by people with no symptoms.

If the infection rate is high and you’ve got symptoms the chances your positive is a true positive is much higher than the chance it’s a false positive.

@TheReluctantPhoenix
Jesus wept

Query was why did I call it digitalised

I volunteered no preference or alternative, I gave the example that its just not in hard copy format.

I've too much work to do to be replying to nit picking on terminology and inference that I and others must be anti vax, anti semite etc etc when I literally started with a comment on AI and its developments because I see it via my role, and its not just facial recognition as some believe.

In general, people should be careful what they wish for

Do you think a baby’s red book is the only record that they’ve been vaccinated?

Ah The Great Reset conspiracy theory spread by idiots 🙄

@noblegiraffe
frigs sake - bore off
Iits the only one you have a hard copy of personally. Of course its in NHS records. That's not the point and you know it

frigs sake - bore off

Of course its in NHS records. That's not the point and you know it

So when you were handwringing about ‘evidence of mRNA injections being digitalised’ what you actually meant was ‘of course evidence of vaccinations has been digitalised for donkey’s years, what I’m concerned about is individuals having a digital copy of their own vaccination records’?

It is valuable to question why we need vaccine passports. I would hate to see such questioning be shut down by discussions of conspiracy theories. I found the noami klein article from the guardian, that was posted on this or another thread, quite interesting. It is quite clear there are some vested interests in pushing this technology that goes beyond public health. Add in the mix a scared public and corrupt government who lie constantly. (See David Cameron for an example of the opportunity ex-minsters have for enrichment). We would be quite foolish to take this all at face value.

I think people need to look up the difference between false positive rates, false negative rates, positive predictive values (PPVs) and negative predictive values (NPVs)

This is where a lot of the confusion comes from. Sorry - studied epidemiology as part of my MSc and a lot of misinformation is being flung around. Each one of those terms has a very precise meaning, and should be interpreted differently.

@noblegiraffe
No the point was having to provide the evidence and who has access to it.
Its not for personal reference ffs and you know full well thats not what I meant, you're clearly bored

@tiredofitall99,

It is, undeniably, intrusive to have to provide a vaccine passport. However, the reason is to allow society to open up as quickly and safely as possible.

In the same way, most of the time you would not find it acceptable if a public servant x-rayed your bag and even looked at you ‘naked’. However, we all give up these rights to privacy to enable us to fly safely.

You could have argued, after 9/11 that enhanced aircraft security, including giving your passport details were the thin end of the wedge and this control would spread to other areas of society. But, most didn’t, as they realised that dying in a plane was a worse alternative.

Some people (wrongly IMO) have no fear of COVID, so don’t want to compromise to be COVID safe. However, the type of compromise between privacy and safety is not a new one.

I've seen those accounts on Twitter. Tbh they seem extremely mentally ill and some have expressed suicidal thoughts.. I wouldn't be too smug about this OP.

Please just feel good for them when the restrictions ease. Imagine if you seriously believed lockdown was going to be forever, what a nightmarish existence that would be. I hope they get the relief they need.

Concerning "the great reset", an alarming number of human rights DO seem to be eroded, (the change in protest laws are not a conspiracy, for example), there's certainly cause for deep concern in that regard...

@noblegiraffe

I’ve reported your post, tormentil because I don’t think Mumsnet should allow videos about satanic Jewish cults secretly ruling the world.

But I hope @dividedwefall understands what I meant now when I said to watch out for the antisemitism that is inevitably found behind the theory she posted.

What theory? If you followed the thread of the conversation we were saying that lots of things don't add up. Another poster said that she didn't think all the governments around the world were able to organise themselves to that level of cooperation. I agreed and thought about how it could possibly come about. I then wrote probably one of the most innocuous posts on this thread musing about what the conditions might be for governments to suddenly start working together and you've just gone nuts over it.

Calling me a conspiracy theorist and talking about Jewish take overs and internet misinformation. You're the crazy one on this thread. None of what I said alludes to any conspiracy theory. It was a stream of consciousness musing, not a bloody theory or a description of what is taking place in the world.

Perhaps read the thread rather than look for a target for your insane conspiracy theories. You seem to know more about them than me.

And also @noblegiraffe I do highly recommend Utopia (2014 English version). You may be disappointed that there are no zionist take overs in it to confirm your low evidence rants, but it is a fantastic TV series nonetheless.

It's word salad

The passport/certificate proves that you are Covid secure and good to go.

The small print - vaccination/negative test/previous positive test does not mean that you will not contact or transmit the virus or that you will not contribute the mutant strains of the virus that may be more infectious and/or lead to greater morbidity or mortality either of yourself or others.

Please note that those who are immunosuppressed or partially vaccinated may enhance the production and spread of mutant variants in general and that those vaccinated may enhance the development and spread of vaccine resistant variants.

There is also a rare risk that young people with minuscule risk of death from the virus will die from vaccine side effects.

Have a nice day.

On the subject of misinformation, this is how the BBC describes how the Astrazeneca vaccine works:
*How does this vaccine work?

It is made from a weakened version of a common cold virus (known as an adenovirus) from chimpanzees. It has been modified to look more like coronavirus - although it can't cause the illness.

Once injected, it teaches the body's immune system how to fight the real virus, should it need to.*

Underneath it shows a diagram which gets a little closer, but not much, to the scientific reality.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55302595

[quote dividedwefall]On the subject of misinformation, this is how the BBC describes how the Astrazeneca vaccine works:
*How does this vaccine work?

It is made from a weakened version of a common cold virus (known as an adenovirus) from chimpanzees. It has been modified to look more like coronavirus - although it can't cause the illness.

Once injected, it teaches the body's immune system how to fight the real virus, should it need to.*

Underneath it shows a diagram which gets a little closer, but not much, to the scientific reality.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55302595[/quote]
Giving a simple explanation for those who don't have the literacy, scientific or generalised, to understand a more in depth explanation and then providing a more technical but still accessible explanation for those who have approximately the literacy of an average teenager?

Oh, no, it's all a deliberate conspiracy of misinformation!

Yes but it is factually incorrect, not just dumbed down! @NeverDropYourMoonCup

also @NeverDropYourMoonCup nobody mentioned a deliberate conspiracy. Just that it was misinformation.