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Covid has just been forgotten about then?

419 replies

washthem · 05/04/2021 08:27

My in-laws are acting like it's all disappeared over night.

Travelling to london, going out for lunches and dinners in people's houses etc.

They're vaccinated now so I suppose they don't mind.

They've all but invited themselves around to ours in a couple of weeks time!

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TheKeatingFive · 05/04/2021 18:58

*Well of course it is 'fundamental'

SueSaid · 05/04/2021 19:01

'We need to live with this. Despite everything the govt have done wrong, they do seem to be moving along this path - they never talk about zero covid.'

Exactly.

Anywayy good news, shops and hairdressers opening as planned on monday. Enough is enough! Grin

Alsohuman · 05/04/2021 19:03

But not 0.5% chance of still catching it and passing it on (by being symptomless.)

It doesn’t matter. Particularly if it’s symptomless. This is getting completely ridiculous. We’re not going to eradicate it. Ever. We need to control it. And we’ve done that. Some of these posts are just bonkers.

UrAWizHarry · 05/04/2021 19:07

@JaniieJones

'We need to live with this. Despite everything the govt have done wrong, they do seem to be moving along this path - they never talk about zero covid.'

Exactly.

Anywayy good news, shops and hairdressers opening as planned on monday. Enough is enough! Grin

The risks of course presented by spending 2-3 hours in the company of a hairdresser are massive compared to sitting with more than 6 people in an outdoor space, but I bet a load of the 'stay the course!' types are booked in.
ilovesooty · 05/04/2021 19:30

My hairdresser is over 60 and has been vaccinated. So have I. We will both be wearing masks and there will just be her and me in the salon with the door open. It's within the rules. Yes, I'm booked in. Why ever not?

UrAWizHarry · 05/04/2021 20:05

That's the point, isn't it? If it's safe for you to sit in a hairdressers it's safe enough to visit homes if everyone has had their jags.

StealthPolarBear · 05/04/2021 20:07

But it's to do with necessity. Businesses need to operate to make money. So the risk/benefit trade off is at a different level from an activity that doesn't generate tax.

Delatron · 05/04/2021 20:12

Well yes exactly. The government raises zero money from people sitting indoors with their family. Yet it’s probably the most important thing to many...

ilovesooty · 05/04/2021 20:14

@UrAWizHarry

That's the point, isn't it? If it's safe for you to sit in a hairdressers it's safe enough to visit homes if everyone has had their jags.
It's not within the road map or the rules so I won't be doing it,and I don't happen to consider sitting in people's homes as safe as sitting in my hairdressers. If they were the type of person to go against the rules I wouldn't in any case have trust in whatever other things they might have been doing or been exposed to. I've known my hairdresser over 40 years, she has a CEV partner and I know she isn't taking risks.
StealthPolarBear · 05/04/2021 20:16

Agree delatron. I personally could probably cope indefinately now we're allowed to meet in small groups outside...until the weather gets worse! But many depend on retail etc for their livelihoods.

UrAWizHarry · 05/04/2021 20:21

I would disagree that a hairdressers is safer. I'm not in the habit of spending two hours playing with my mums hair for a start and breathing literally down her neck, mask or no mask.

I would also disagree that businesses should come before people seeing their own family members.

The point is, if it's safe to share an indoor space with precautions with a complete stranger or strangers then it's safe to do so with family, who you can know with a far higher degree of certainty whether they are vaccinated. There really isn't an argument against that other than blind adherence to increasingly unjustifiable rules.

StealthPolarBear · 05/04/2021 20:22

I agree that for me seeing family is more important than getting a haircut. But for the thousands of hairdressers and people in similar jobs that are currently on pause, that's not the case.

SamW98 · 05/04/2021 20:25

@UrAWizHarry

I would disagree that a hairdressers is safer. I'm not in the habit of spending two hours playing with my mums hair for a start and breathing literally down her neck, mask or no mask.

I would also disagree that businesses should come before people seeing their own family members.

The point is, if it's safe to share an indoor space with precautions with a complete stranger or strangers then it's safe to do so with family, who you can know with a far higher degree of certainty whether they are vaccinated. There really isn't an argument against that other than blind adherence to increasingly unjustifiable rules.

Absolutely agree. As of Monday I can have my nails, eyelashes and brows done meaning I sit face to face with a stranger at a distance of a few inches yet I can't go to my mums and sit on sofas on opposite sides of the room and have a cuppa - and she's had both vaccines!
UrAWizHarry · 05/04/2021 20:36

@StealthPolarBear

I agree that for me seeing family is more important than getting a haircut. But for the thousands of hairdressers and people in similar jobs that are currently on pause, that's not the case.
But it's either safe or not. That's the point. If it's safe for a business to be open, people should be able to visit family. If it's not safe to visit family then how is it safe to visit a stranger for a haircut?
Same4Walls · 05/04/2021 20:41

But it's either safe or not. That's the point. If it's safe for a business to be open, people should be able to visit family. If it's not safe to visit family then how is it safe to visit a stranger for a haircut?

See this is the bit where I don't understand how anyone can think the rules make sense. People will say that families will hug etc but how is that considered a major granny killing risk but being in a hairdressers for several hours or having someone inches from your face waxing your eyebrows is totally acceptable. It's the illogical nature of the rules that make people not want to adhere.

Delatron · 05/04/2021 20:45

Completely agree. If it’s safe for me to sit in my tiny hairdresser’s for two hours with about 20 other random people then it’s safe for vaccinated family to come and sit in my spacious kitchen with the door open!

SueSaid · 05/04/2021 20:51

'If it’s safe for me to sit in my tiny hairdresser’s for two hours with about 20 other random people then it’s safe for vaccinated family to come and sit in my spacious kitchen with the door open!'

But it isn't that it is 'safe', however it is minimising contact to such things as businesses as their livelihoods are important. Yes chatting in your kitchen is too but it isn't a priority. As a pp said it is 'baby steps', review the data and unlock some more.

StealthPolarBear · 05/04/2021 20:54

Nothing is ever 100% safe. It's about the level of risk we're able to tolerate. For businesses we (collectively) are being told to tolerate a higher risk because the benefits outweigh the risks. Its absolutely not a case of "its safe or its not".

confuseddotcom090 · 05/04/2021 20:56

My mother (74) came round and asked me to cut her hair as she was fed up with it.

I said no. Not because I'm worried about COVID (I have an immune system and she is vaccinated), but because I have never cut hair before and she'd likely never speak to me again once I make a pig's ear of it.

But it's lunatic that she can go get it cut in a busy salon next week, but I'm still not allowed to do it for free (though possibly should be illegal on grounds of crimes against hairdressing). I think. Not really sure what the rules are these days TBH. It's all bollocks.

Delatron · 05/04/2021 20:57

I know exactly why they are doing it in this order. The economy is far more important to them. They can only have a certain amount of risky activities opening at the same time.

But they must understand that people get this and have spent too long away from family. Other countries understood this.

UrAWizHarry · 05/04/2021 21:18

@StealthPolarBear

Nothing is ever 100% safe. It's about the level of risk we're able to tolerate. For businesses we (collectively) are being told to tolerate a higher risk because the benefits outweigh the risks. Its absolutely not a case of "its safe or its not".
But that doesn't make sense as an argument under the current rules either.

I'm vaccinated. My parents have had both doses. I haven't seen another living soul other than my DH for weeks. The risk for me to go and see my mum is not going to get any lower than it is now.

This is why people are starting to ignore the rules, and who can blame them

Delatron · 05/04/2021 21:19

It doesn’t suddenly become ‘safe’ on the stroke of midnight on the 17th May either.
They’ve pushed most people too far with nonsensical rules.

murbblurb · 05/04/2021 21:20

I'm surprised hairdressers are allowed to do the long treatments. Quick trim, fine. Lengthy bleach /curl straighten,scary. I'll be going round frizzy haired for a long while yet, it doesn't seem fair to ask for a long treatment.

Delatron · 05/04/2021 21:24

Fair to who?

It just makes a mockery of the other ‘rules’ that’s all.

SueSaid · 05/04/2021 21:28

'I know exactly why they are doing it in this order. The economy is far more important to them. They can only have a certain amount of risky activities opening at the same time.'

Yes jobs are more important than socialising and correct they can only have a certain amount of risky activities opening at the same time! It isn't rocket science or a conspiracy.

We can meet up socially anyway just not indoors. For now.

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