Life isn't going back to normal is it ?

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Just opinions ? I was anxious like everyone not so much now but the government are doing u turns at every move and goal posts constantly being moved I just can't see life going back to normal !!! I literally hate masks and queuing for bloody everything ...just done like everyone

Hi!

No I’m actually quite hopeful! My family in developing country are all jabbed and very eager to meet their new grand baby born last year at some point, whenever that is. I’ve been seeing friends in excellent parks, lakesides etc when allowed, within regs, the kids are very excited at return of sports, baby is enjoying nursery and we have plans for the summer including moving house (!), lots of cooking excellent things and enjoying plenty of sunshine.

More MPs from both sides of the house are telling Boris to get a grip objecting to draconian and discriminatory measures such as covid passports for visiting a domestic pub or restaurant, so I'm more hopeful than I was that normality will return.

What goalposts are being moved? The only one that seems a bit shaky is foreign travel which is understandable considering new variants. Everything else seems to be on track.

Of course things will get back to normal. Masks aren't going to go away overnight but they will eventually.

@Navigationcentral

Hi!

No I’m actually quite hopeful! My family in developing country are all jabbed and very eager to meet their new grand baby born last year at some point, whenever that is. I’ve been seeing friends in excellent parks, lakesides etc when allowed, within regs, the kids are very excited at return of sports, baby is enjoying nursery and we have plans for the summer including moving house (!), lots of cooking excellent things and enjoying plenty of sunshine.

They are U turning because of lot of the stupid, unworkable stuff they put out. The track and trace which cost billions and failed, passports for pubs, a business closed for 12 mths, needing money from any source, will they turn you away cos you don't have a Covid passport-Seriously???

By the time we got to know about Covid last year, it was then too late. too little done, too late, too late closing the borders, warnings about the likelihood of pandemic 2/3yrs ago, and to be prepared, so the Tories disbanded the section dedicated to formulating the response strategy .

Combine all this with the best control that there has ever been since the war, over ordinary people and their comings and goings, and there you have it. Maggie wanted the industrial poor amongst us, kept out of pubs, and here is is. Just glad people are protesting out there about the high handedness of the Police now.

I also don’t know what you’re referring to. The road map as issued is so far being followed, just some looseness round over seas travel which was to be expected and the Covid passports, which was also to be expected and was always going to happen unless 95+ percent of the population agreed to be vaccinated and if the rest of the world vaccinated at the same time as us ( we need to open our doors and people coming in will be a risk).

Did you mean to tag/quote my post @Steptoeshorse1965 ? Because I don’t think I’m getting the link!

OP not a 2019 normal, no.

Yes, we’ll get back to normal OP

It’s been a long time since we’ve had a proper crisis in this country, but if you look back through our history and other countries’ histories it is reassuring to see how normal life always seems to bounce back.

It doesn’t help that we romanticise our history a bit. For example, you do see references to the unpopularity of WW2 rationing, but very little on the scale of the unrest it caused, particularly in the post war years. People believed it would continue forever and that the government had seized too much control. Sound familiar?

We’ll get there

@TheSockMonster

Yes, we’ll get back to normal OP

It’s been a long time since we’ve had a proper crisis in this country, but if you look back through our history and other countries’ histories it is reassuring to see how normal life always seems to bounce back.

It doesn’t help that we romanticise our history a bit. For example, you do see references to the unpopularity of WW2 rationing, but very little on the scale of the unrest it caused, particularly in the post war years. People believed it would continue forever and that the government had seized too much control. Sound familiar?

We’ll get there

Older friends and rellies, now departed, used to talk a lot about the whitewash of history for WW2 and the decade after. Rationing, looting etc.

I actually think the complete opposite. In fact, the last few days have felt nearly there - just need hospitality and non-essential shops to re-open. Oh, and I urgently need a haircut.

@DamsonTrousers

I actually think the complete opposite. In fact, the last few days have felt nearly there - just need hospitality and non-essential shops to re-open. Oh, and I urgently need a haircut.

And you're all right with queues, masks etc?

@DamsonTrousers

I actually think the complete opposite. In fact, the last few days have felt nearly there - just need hospitality and non-essential shops to re-open. Oh, and I urgently need a haircut.

And no seeing people indoors?

@AcornAutumn masks are a small price to pay if we can do everything else. They won't be around forever.

Absolutely @AcornAutumn. I don’t think it helps that the majority of historical documents from the period were either heavily censored press or the subjective writings of rich white men.

Nothing illustrates the difference between the tangled reality of WW2 and the Disney-fied version I was taught at school more than this (hopefully) attached newspaper article.

I think we’ll get there bit by bit by bit.
And many of us will grab every possible opportunity

I think even though we are apparently getting back to normal, it's not really going to be the case. I assumed when hairdressers reopened, it would be as normal, without the PPE (aside from masks). But no, it will still be with the stylist wearing head-to-toe bin bag with a mask and visor, and gloves. Outside pub opening sounds great - but the rule is that you have to wear a mask unless drinking and seated. So masks outside - that's new and a massive step backwards. Of course I'm glad everything's reopening, but "normal" it won't be.

Trade press reported that T&T for outside pubs will be enforced too.

I don’t mind the masks as helps keep other germs at bay, I’d like to think we will keep them in workplaces and public places for a while until it’s pretty much gone then after expect people to wear them if out sick.

If they’d stop making up new rules all the time eg needing bloody vaccine passports then I think people could go back to normal pretty quick.

Normal, but it'll be a new normal.

We will eventually get there once the whole world has been vaccinated but I'm resigned to it taking a few years to get back to '2019 normal' of no masks, international travel without restrictions etc..

Normal will return, just not sure when. It does not help as I have mentioned on other threads that the government drip feeds speculation or ideas that they are undecided about.

Thanks ... by moving goal posts I mean dating back to normal by Xmas , opening up when vulnerable vaccinated , no vaccine passports now they will then they don't ... I literally mean no SD and no masks normal and no queuing.

So sick of this shit like most people just need to rasht

Rant

Its the lack of spontaneity I hate. We have our grandchildren one day a week and I keep forgetting that we have to book a timeslot in advance if we want to visit the nearby Gardens or Aboretum. It's tricky with a 3 year old anyway because she doesn't understand we have a timeslot and have to be there then. Complete with masks etc.

We couldn't go last week because I forgot until the day before and then all the timeslots during school hours were fully booked. Does my head in!